Kentucky's ongoing attempt to end racing in state proceeds..

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

Traditions? If tradition was important, all the horses wouldn't be getting Lasix now, would they? Surely we can get better than "tradition" and "they don't stick too good". Use both? Why, if both do the same thing, would you pay double? These answers are as lame as the statements from the pro ban side, maybe lamer.

Give me 3 valid, truthful, proven reasons to eliminate furosemide on race day.

[cmorioles]

1) You can get the same help from a nasal strip.
2) Many horses don't need it.
3) It enhances performance. You may not like the proof, but I have given plenty, and it is legitimate. I'm sure you haven't bothered to check any of it out, but that doesn't make it less true.

Now, why again is 1) not enough besides silly answers like "it is tradition to drug horses" and "those darn nasal strips fall off"?

Please don't avoid the question again, just say I don't know or I give up if you can't answer with something that a kindergartner would laugh off.

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

1) You can get the same help from a nasal strip.

Nasal strips and lasix work in entirely different ways. Why do you think one is better than the other?

2) Many horses don't need it.

What percentage of horses don't need lasix?

3) It enhances performance. You may not like the proof, but I have given plenty, and it is legitimate. I'm sure you haven't bothered to check any of it out, but that doesn't make it less true.

Nope. Haven't read any furosemide research at all ...

Do tell me - how does lasix specifically enhance performance? What does it actually do to horses?

Now, why again is 1) not enough besides silly answers like "it is tradition to drug horses" and "those darn nasal strips fall off"?

Please don't avoid the question again, just say I don't know or I give up if you can't answer with something that a kindergartner would laugh off.

[cmorioles]

What difference does it make how they work, as long as they do? Surely if the results are similar any sane person would choose the strip over an injection, unless of course there are other reasons they don't want to discuss.

I would say less than 50% of horses actually need Lasix. Can it be proven these days, probably not, but I've been following the game a long, long time, certainly before it was legal and then later abused.

I have no idea how it enhances performance, but you can't deny the results. Well, you can, but an unbiased person wouldn't.

Again, no answer. I rest my case.

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

Again, no answer. I rest my case.

While you are resting, you might want to start at the beginning of the thread and read it.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Riot

While you are resting, you might want to start at the beginning of the thread and read it.

Maybe after you answer. Obviously you can't and stick to your argument, so you won't.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Maybe after you answer. Obviously you can't and stick to your argument, so you won't.

It seems you've lost track of what's going on here. You were asked to give reasons why lasix shouldn't be used, and you gave three. And now I'm asking you to defend your reasons. Can you do that?

I answered your question about why lasix and not FLAIR strips in post 273, the third and fourth paragraph. Please re-read that.

You have quoted back paragraphs one and two to me, dismissing them as reasons, although those were not given by me as reasons, they were only comments. My reasons are in the third and fourth paragraphs. So please don't say I haven't answered, when I clearly have.