Kentucky's ongoing attempt to end racing in state proceeds..

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I never saw where they worked very well for anything. Like most fads people tried them for awhile and didn't see much difference in anything really. Now they kind of act as a negative sign especially if you are thinking of claiming something with a nasal strip figuring it either bleeds a lot or has a bad airway.

The problem with other trainers "ratting out" other trainers is that without something short of a picture of someone actually giving a horse a shot in the neck or milkshaking a horse it is mostly dismissed as jealousy. Which sometimes it probably is. Perhaps I havent been persistent enough in trying to explain that the "authorities" in most jurisdictions are woefully inept, tragically underfunded or both. At the risk of starting another tangent if the ivory tower crowd focued their energies towards racings farce of a police force the game might actually get a little "cleaner". Instead they worry only about that which they know which in itself is telling.

I guess I'll just never get that. If anyone had any real evidence and went to the press it would be reported. I'm not talking about the phony racing press that is nothing more than a mouthpiece for the elite, I'm talking the real press that would eat something like this up.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I guess I'll just never get that. If anyone had any real evidence and went to the press it would be reported. I'm not talking about the phony racing press that is nothing more than a mouthpiece for the elite, I'm talking the real press that would eat something like this up.

The trick is coming up with "real evidence". It isn't like trainers have the ability to do a sting operation on the guy in the next barn. They have these 800 numbers at some tracks to call in anyonomous tips but I have never heard of anything ever coming from those. There was a top trainer at Calder that was tossed off (for a while at least) because a groom he had stiffed on a stakes check actually took a picture of him giving a horse a shot. The irony is the groom just wanted to collect his money, he wasnt looking to be a racetrack cop. But even then the track was the one who took action, not the racing commission.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The trick is coming up with "real evidence". It isn't like trainers have the ability to do a sting operation on the guy in the next barn. They have these 800 numbers at some tracks to call in anyonomous tips but I have never heard of anything ever coming from those. There was a top trainer at Calder that was tossed off (for a while at least) because a groom he had stiffed on a stakes check actually took a picture of him giving a horse a shot. The irony is the groom just wanted to collect his money, he wasnt looking to be a racetrack cop. But even then the track was the one who took action, not the racing commission.

It just seems there would be a lot more disgruntled employees, and it isn't like backstretch workers don't change barns a lot. I'm with you, I have no doubt there is a lot of cheating going on, I'm just mystified how it remains hidden for so long.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

It just seems there would be a lot more disgruntled employees, and it isn't like backstretch workers don't change barns a lot. I'm with you, I have no doubt there is a lot of cheating going on, I'm just mystified how it remains hidden for so long.

probably because of money. only so much probably budgeted for r & d on drug detection.
then there's just how much can you do to someone if they do get caught. look at the appeals processes and the like.
and you have repeat offenders who get more and better horses after a suspension than they did before. you'd have to think if owners were more inclined to try to avoid cheaters they'd just naturally get winnowed out. no clients, no horses, no job. but no, they get people knocking down their doors.
people talk about changing it, but the only attempt i've seen is what's brought about this thread. seems like there'd be other things to tackle than a drug that may or may not improve a horse, that apparently no longer is a masking drug, and actually has medical benefits.
but, lasix is the bad guy and people like biancone, mullins, dutrow, asmussen are doing fine, if not increasing their numbers of horses.

[Riot]

So, there was a veterinary conference held today at the Horse Park in association with Rolex Three Day Event.

FYI - Jeremy Whitman, current President of the Kentucky Association of Equine Practioners, spoke about what he thought would happen with the Kentucky Thoroughbred racing world regarding lasix. He said that, in his opinion, all the last vote did was, "buy thirty days" and delay the inevitable. He predicts the vote to ban lasix will pass next meeting.

The KAEP, along with the AVMA and AAEP, have all been working very hard for the health and welfare of the race horse. It appears those that manage horse racing in Kentucky will go ahead and simply ignore their medical recommendations.

The horse doesn't come first in Kentucky.

[Indian Charlie]

The more that people ignore medical 'experts', the better off everyone and everything will be.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

The more that people ignore medical 'experts', the better off everyone and everything will be.

That's right. I'd go with creationism

There were a bunch of big names there ... head vet for the 2012 Olympics, he's done WEG and Pan Am games before, other big names in equine sports med. A little discussion about FEI and European banned substances, state of testing and drug detection, etc.

The US horse racing world is so behind the cheating other horse sports go with, let alone the testing capabilities. Yes, I mean that the TB world doesn't cheat as well, or as creatively, as other horse sports.

Catching it - it's the funding. And lack of real interest in the racing world to actually do something that matters. Hence: ban the (pretend) evil drug that prevents horses from bleeding into their lungs. Yeah, that's exactly what the sport needs now. But hey! "We did something". Pat selves on back as the sport dies and horses get harmed.

Fools.