Kentucky's ongoing attempt to end racing in state proceeds..

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

The more that people ignore medical 'experts', the better off everyone and everything will be.

That's right. I'd go with creationism

There were a bunch of big names there ... head vet for the 2012 Olympics, he's done WEG and Pan Am games before, other big names in equine sports med. A little discussion about FEI and European banned substances, state of testing and drug detection, etc.

The US horse racing world is so behind the cheating other horse sports go with, let alone the testing capabilities. Yes, I mean that the TB world doesn't cheat as well, or as creatively, as other horse sports.

Catching it - it's the funding. And lack of real interest in the racing world to actually do something that matters. Hence: ban the (pretend) evil drug that prevents horses from bleeding into their lungs. Yeah, that's exactly what the sport needs now. But hey! "We did something". Pat selves on back as the sport dies and horses get harmed.

Fools.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Riot

That's right. I'd go with creationism

There were a bunch of big names there ... head vet for the 2012 Olympics, he's done WEG and Pan Am games before, other big names in equine sports med. A little discussion about FEI and European banned substances, state of testing and drug detection, etc.

The US horse racing world is so behind the cheating other horse sports go with, let alone the testing capabilities. Yes, I mean that the TB world doesn't cheat as well, or as creatively, as other horse sports.

Catching it - it's the funding. And lack of real interest in the racing world to actually do something that matters. Hence: ban the (pretend) evil drug that prevents horses from bleeding into their lungs. Yeah, that's exactly what the sport needs now. But hey! "We did something". Pat selves on back as the sport dies and horses get harmed.

Fools.

It bears repeating.

You have something seriously wrong with your ability to comprehend posts you don't agree with.

What the hell does creationism have to do with avoiding doctors/vets?? Seriously?

The sport will not die if lasix is banned.

[citycat]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

It bears repeating.

You have something seriously wrong with your ability to comprehend posts you don't agree with.

What the hell does creationism have to do with avoiding doctors/vets?? Seriously?

The sport will not die if lasix is banned.

I agree that the sport will not die is Lasix is banned (although I do not think it should be banned) but the real point of the situation is why Kentucky. The sport is currently floundering here in the state with the inpending closure of Turfway and Ellis Parks after this year. There will be many people losing their jobs because of this and the Lasix will just be the final straw. The only way I would support a ban on Lasix if it were to be a nationwide wide and not just another hit to the sport here in Kentucky.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by citycat

I agree that the sport will not die is Lasix is banned (although I do not think it should be banned) but the real point of the situation is why Kentucky. The sport is currently floundering here in the state with the inpending closure of Turfway and Ellis Parks after this year. There will be many people losing their jobs because of this and the Lasix will just be the final straw. The only way I would support a ban on Lasix if it were to be a nationwide wide and not just another hit to the sport here in Kentucky.

The only way it would work is nationwide, all at once. This will kill Kentucky racing. But nationwide, it's bad for horses. Lasix is so important for horse health it will be used in the morning for speed work like it is the world over, but we can't use it in the afternoon, when it matters, under the stress of racing, in front of the public? Even though the horses are under the same, if not increased, threat of EIPH? That's beyond ridiculous.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Riot

The only way it would work is nationwide, all at once. This will kill Kentucky racing. But nationwide, it's bad for horses. Lasix is so important for horse health it will be used in the morning for speed work like it is the world over, but we can't use it in the afternoon, when it matters, under the stress of racing, in front of the public? Even though the horses are under the same, if not increased, threat of EIPH? That's beyond ridiculous.

I'll be honest here. I love horse racing, and I make a good living because of it. But, if all horses truly need to be injected with a drug to safely compete, it is probably a sport that should go away.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I'll be honest here. I love horse racing, and I make a good living because of it. But, if all horses truly need to be injected with a drug to safely compete, it is probably a sport that should go away.

Horses are injected with a drug to help prevent physical problems that can be caused by what we ask them to do.

It's called "sports medicine" and good medical care. There is a difference between abusive medicine and therapeutic medicine. For god's sake - can we please do what's best for the health of the horse?

Horses - and some dogs and humans, btw - suffer EIPH at speed: race horses, barrel horses, quarter horses, harness horses, event horses, steeplechase horses, fox hunters.

The only way to eliminate EIPH is to eliminate any horse sport that involves speed and maximal effort. It's hardly limited to racing them. It's called Exercise-Induced Pulmonary Hemorrhage.

It's simple - put the welfare of the horse first.

American Veterinary Medical Association policy

Therapeutic Medications in Racehorses
(Oversight Committee: AWC; EB 11/2010)

The AVMA endorses the American Association of Equine Practitioners' policy on therapeutic medications in racehorses, which reads as follows:

"The AAEP policy on medication in pari-mutuel racing is driven by our mission to improve the health and welfare of the horse.

The AAEP policy is aimed at providing the best health care possible for the racehorses competing while ensuring the integrity of the sport.

The AAEP expects its members to abide by the rules of all jurisdictions where they practice.

The AAEP condemns the administration of non-therapeutic or unprescribed medications to racehorses by anyone.

The AAEP believes that all therapeutic medication should be administered to racehorses by or under the direction of a licensed veterinarian.

Health care decisions on individual horses should involve the veterinarian, the trainer and owner with the best interests of the horse as the primary objective.

The AAEP strongly encourages continued research in determining the therapeutic levels and appropriate withdrawal times that represent responsible use of medication in the racehorse.

The AAEP is aware of the dynamics of the development of new products, as well as the continuing evaluation of current medications, and will continue to evaluate its policy based upon available scientific research and the best interests of the horse.

In order to provide the best health care possible for the racehorse, veterinarians should utilize the most modern diagnostic and therapeutic modalities available in accordance with medication guidelines designed to ensure the integrity of the sport.

To this end, the following are the essential elements of AAEP policy concerning veterinary care of the racehorse:

All racing jurisdictions should adopt the uniform medication guidelines set forth by the Racing and Medication Testing Consortium Inc. (RMTC). Including the RMTC testing procedures with strict quality controls and penalty schedules, these guidelines and procedures strive to protect the integrity of racing as well as the health and well-being of the horse.

Race day medication must be in accordance with current RMTC guidelines. In the absence of a more effective treatment/preventative for exercise-induced pulmonary hemorrhage (EIPH), the AAEP supports the use of furosemide as a day-of-the-race medication to control EIPH. The AAEP advocates the research and development of new treatments to help prevent and/or control EIPH.

The AAEP encourages proactive and constructive communication between regulatory bodies and practicing veterinarians and other industry stakeholders.

The AAEP believes that all veterinarians should use judicious, prudent and ethical decisions in all treatments to ensure the health and welfare of the horse.

The AAEP strongly endorses increased surveillance and enforcement of the above-mentioned regulations."

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Riot

Horses are injected with a drug to help prevent physical problems that can be caused by what we ask them to do.

Really? No sh!t. That was my whole point. If every horse needs an injection of drugs to race, we probably shouldn't be racing horses. Now, personally I don't think they all need it, but you know that already. I'm just not sure the US is ready to hear we run a sport where every horse needs drugs to run. How is that going to fly?

Originally Posted by Riot

The only way to eliminate EIPH is to eliminate any horse sport that involves speed and maximal effort. It's hardly limited to racing them. It's called Exercise-Induced Pulmonary Hemorrhage.

I never said it could be eliminated, I'm just saying drugs are overused, but you also know that. Amazingly, the rest of the world seems to do just fine without it, and also kick our ass much of the time. When is the last time a horse from the US shipped overseas and won a race of consequence?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

You have something seriously wrong with your ability to comprehend posts you don't agree with.

What the hell does creationism have to do with avoiding doctors/vets?? Seriously?

.

Wow. It appears that using humor, by deliberately using an opposite metaphor, or deliberate misuse of logical fallacy, is beyond your understanding

Please ... don't lecture on "comprehension" when you can't understand the post you are lecturing about - LOL