Oh no...it'll never happen?

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

What is your view on a worthless unemployed person not looking for a job getting another handout? Do you think it's fair to all of the working people and the unemployed people who are actually trying to find work? Also I am curious what the premiums are going to be. Im just glad I won't be using that worthless insurance.

How about a worthless person stealing our money by collecting a government pension??? Why should the government still be paying pensions when nearly every company has done away with them and switched to 401-K?

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by jms62

How about a worthless person stealing our money by collecting a government pension??? Why should the government still be paying pensions when nearly every company has done away with them and switched to 401-K?

Im in agreement with you on that also. It's a bunch of BS that stuff like that happens.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by jms62

How about a worthless person stealing our money by collecting a government pension??? Why should the government still be paying pensions when nearly every company has done away with them and switched to 401-K?

There is something so incredibly rich about this comment and how it went over.

Well done, jms.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

There is something so incredibly rich about this comment and how it went over.

Well done, jms.

I was waiting for someone to catch it.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by jms62

I was waiting for someone to catch it.

It was caught. It was good

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by jms62

How about a worthless person stealing our money by collecting a government pension??? Why should the government still be paying pensions when nearly every company has done away with them and switched to 401-K?

I earned my pension by giving up 20 years of my life for this country? Maybe this country should go to a draft or make people after high school join the military like they do in other countries. Im sure if there was a draft you would have draft dodgers.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

I earned my pension by giving up 20 years of my life for this country? Maybe this country should go to a draft or make people after high school join the military like they do in other countries. Im sure if there was a draft you would have draft dodgers.

I agree we should have a draft and I agree with you also that we should get rid of pensions for government employees altogether and have a matching 401K plan while they are serving or working. We both know the pension model is a failing model just look at the Big-3.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by jms62

I agree we should have a draft and I agree with you also that we should get rid of pensions for government employees altogether and have a matching 401K plan while they are serving or working. We both know the pension model is a failing model just look at the Big-3.

I agree with you about the Big-3. Are there any flaws in a 401K. Just curious about a 401K plan. Thanks.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

I agree with you about the Big-3. Are there any flaws in a 401K. Just curious about a 401K plan. Thanks.

So you disagree about our bloated government pensions? They are ok? Aren't you always screaming about our debt?

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by jms62

So you disagree about our bloated government pensions? They are ok? Aren't you always screaming about our debt?

Im not saying I disagree with pensions. If a 401 will cut the national debt maybe this country should try it. Im sure the money saved will go to Obamacare. While people collecting Social Security get screwed. I wont say anything about the military and retiree's. Oh did I mention them. Sorry about mentioning them.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by jms62

I agree we should have a draft and I agree with you also that we should get rid of pensions for government employees altogether and have a matching 401K plan while they are serving or working. We both know the pension model is a failing model just look at the Big-3.

How about every single citizen spends 2 years in the military upon graduation from high school, in exchange for being able to purchase into national single-payer healthcare, and receiving Social Security in their old age?

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Riot

How about every single citizen spends 2 years in the military upon graduation from high school, in exchange for being able to purchase into national single-payer healthcare, and receiving Social Security in their old age?

I would have no problem whatsoever with it..

[Riot]

Originally Posted by jms62

I would have no problem whatsoever with it..

I guarantee you we wouldn't be so quick to be invading other countries, either.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Riot

I guarantee you we wouldn't be so quick to be invading other countries, either.

War is a multi-multi Billion dollar business. Knocking it down and building it back up.. Those that make the decisions to go to war are very heavily invested.. They sell us the Patriotic bull<shit. Losers are the taxpayers (what else is new) and those killed in combat and their families. The last war we should have been involved in was WWII.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

I earned my pension by giving up 20 years of my life for this country? Maybe this country should go to a draft or make people after high school join the military like they do in other countries. Im sure if there was a draft you would have draft dodgers.

Please, we are a bit too smart to fall for this patriotic bullshi<t. You gave up 20 years of your life because it was a career path you chose. Let's call a spade a spade here. By your postings here we can go all in at 1 to 10 that college was never a realistic option. The military however was a choice where unless you totally fuc<k up will continue to pay a salary and provide an obscene retirement. Your job wasn't going to get outsourced or eliminated due to downsizing regardless of how well you performed in it. It was a very safe choice. So you post on here about all "worthless" folks collecting unemploymemt. Some of these folks have paid their SUI for 20-30 years but they are considered "worthless" to you because they won't take a minimum wage job to replace their 6 figure salary and instead continue to search. You continually complain about our debt yet find no problem whatsoever with governement pensions... You find no problem with someone who serves in the military for 20 years and collects 50% of their last paycheck for the next 45 years. You are exactly what is wrong with the country. Unwilling to see anything outside of their circumstances. I got mine fuc>k everyone else.

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by jms62

Please, we are a bit too smart to fall for this patriotic bullshi<t. You gave up 20 years of your life because it was a career path you chose. Let's call a spade a spade here. By your postings here we can go all in at 1 to 10 that college was never a realistic option. The military however was a choice where unless you totally fuc<k up will continue to pay a salary and provide an obscene retirement. Your job wasn't going to get outsourced or eliminated due to downsizing regardless of how well you performed in it. It was a very safe choice. So you post on here about all "worthless" folks collecting unemploymemt. Some of these folks have paid their SUI for 20-30 years but they are considered "worthless" to you because they won't take a minimum wage job to replace their 6 figure salary and instead continue to search. You continually complain about our debt yet find no problem whatsoever with governement pensions... You find no problem with someone who serves in the military for 20 years and collects 50% of their last paycheck for the next 45 years. You are exactly what is wrong with the country. Unwilling to see anything outside of their circumstances. I got mine fuc>k everyone else.

I, too, raised an eyebrow about Nascar's remark "I gave up 20 years of my life". As you say, the military is a choice - it's not a sentence. However, the one thing you fail to take into consideration is that those who choose to serve in the military run the risk of getting nothing, as they stand a chance of getting killed in combat.

Not meaning for this to be about ME as I am so often accused - I'm just offering facts and figures, based on personal experience.

My husband served 4-1/2 years active duty in the USMC - two tours in Nam. His top pay as an E/4 over 4 (years) was $412/month. Hardly anything to get rich on - even back then. He then went into the Reserves and served for 22 years - one weekend a month and 2 weeks in the Summer in Panama; eventually back in the USA. Twice during his reserve duty, he was called back to active duty. His employers had his job waiting for him upon his return, but he didn't get paid by them while he was gone, and the amount of money the government paid him while he served active duty was about 1/3 of his regular wages. His top yearly income in the Reserves was $4,800 with a bit more for the two years in which he was called back to active duty.

His retirement income now is $574/month - and he doesn't have to pay for supplement insurance to Medicare which would cost us about $350/month if we had to buy supplement insurance on our own. However, we still have to pay for Medicare benefits.

If anyone wants to call those benefits obscene for putting in 26-1/2 years service with the military, sobeit. If anyone wants to say he doesn't deserve what he earned, sobeit.

If you say people who paid into unemployment deserve unemployment benefits, then the same holds true for people who paid into social security, medicare, and served in the military. They are not entitlements.

With regard to unemployment, I'd say that anyone searching for a job for xx number of months without success should consider retraining for another type career. And, sometimes taking a job at lesser pay and proving your worth to your employer with past experience and knowledge that you're bringing to the plate is a good shot at quick advancement and a higher salary. 75% of success in the workplace is just showing up.

A local used car dealership had a sign up for a number of weeks - "Car detailer wanted - $20/hour - will train." Our friend's son was on unemployment and supposedly looking for work, and we told him about it. His response - "That's hard labor. I still have a lot of time left on unemployment." He's 20-years old and collecting less than $200 wk, living home with mom and dad and not paying a nickle toward his keep. Parents may be pretty much to blame for his selfish/shiftless attitude. Not saying this is the norm for people on unemployment, but when people hear responses like this - it's bound to get them riled.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

I, too, raised an eyebrow about Nascar's remark "I gave up 20 years of my life". As you say, the military is a choice - it's not a sentence. However, the one thing you fail to take into consideration is that those who choose to serve in the military run the risk of getting nothing, as they stand a chance of getting killed in combat.

Not meaning for this to be about ME as I am so often accused - I'm just offering facts and figures, based on personal experience.

My husband served 4-1/2 years active duty in the USMC - two tours in Nam. His top pay as an E/4 over 4 (years) was $412/month. Hardly anything to get rich on - even back then. He then went into the Reserves and served for 22 years - one weekend a month and 2 weeks in the Summer in Panama; eventually back in the USA. Twice during his reserve duty, he was called back to active duty. His employers had his job waiting for him upon his return, but he didn't get paid by them while he was gone, and the amount of money the government paid him while he served active duty was about 1/3 of his regular wages. His top yearly income in the Reserves was $4,800 with a bit more for the two years in which he was called back to active duty.

His retirement income now is $574/month - and he doesn't have to pay for supplement insurance to Medicare which would cost us about $350/month if we had to buy supplement insurance on our own. However, we still have to pay for Medicare benefits.

If anyone wants to call those benefits obscene for putting in 26-1/2 years service with the military, sobeit. If anyone wants to say he doesn't deserve what he earned, sobeit.

If you say people who paid into unemployment deserve unemployment benefits, then the same holds true for people who paid into social security, medicare, and served in the military. They are not entitlements.

With regard to unemployment, I'd say that anyone searching for a job for xx number of months without success should consider retraining for another type career. And, sometimes taking a job at lesser pay and proving your worth to your employer with past experience and knowledge that you're bringing to the plate is a good shot at quick advancement and a higher salary. 75% of success in the workplace is just showing up.

A local used car dealership had a sign up for a number of weeks - "Car detailer wanted - $20/hour - will train." Our friend's son was on unemployment and supposedly looking for work, and we told him about it. His response - "That's hard labor. I still have a lot of time left on unemployment." He's 20-years old and collecting less than $200 wk, living home with mom and dad and not paying a nickle toward his keep. Parents may be pretty much to blame for his selfish/shiftless attitude. Not saying this is the norm for people on unemployment, but when people hear responses like this - it's bound to get them riled.

You are obviously retired.. Train for what job??

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by jms62

You are obviously retired.. Train for what job??

When I was in the work force, I had to retrain for a job when the company I worked for went out of business. I didn't have/need heavy computer skills in the job I had, but if I wanted a job elsewhere, I had to train to get those skills.

If someone feels they have all the skills necessary and they don't need any more education/training and don't want to pursue another career, I feel bad for them in their job search. But sooner or later unemployment benefits are going to run out. What are the choices then? Take a lesser paying job or go on welfare?

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

When I was in the work force, I had to retrain for a job when the company I worked for went out of business. I didn't have/need heavy computer skills in the job I had, but if I wanted a job elsewhere, I had to train to get those skills.

If someone feels they have all the skills necessary and they don't need any more education/training and don't want to pursue another career, I feel bad for them in their job search. But sooner or later unemployment benefits are going to run out. What are the choices then? Take a lesser paying job or go on welfare?

Different era Princess... You can train all you want but the fact of the matter is that the jobs are being sent to countries paying slave wages. This is BOTH blue collar and WHITE Collar. Can I recommend the following http://www.amazon.com/Race-Bottom-Wo...3818672&sr=8-1

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

What are the choices then? Take a lesser paying job or go on welfare?

There are not enough of even "lesser paying" jobs right now for the number of unemployed we have times five, even if every single one of them was willing to wash cars or work the midnight shift at McDonalds.

Retraining is expensive and takes time. If you are an unemployed systems analyst making $80K/year, retraining as a licensed insurance salesmen is an option, sure. A CPA? Or you could work as a car detailer I suppose.

We've lost the large manufacturing base we used to have in this country, jobs that paid a wage where someone could support their family. In the northeast corridor you could graduate high school and go to work at the factory, and you knew you could work there for life, and advance if you were sharp.

We've lost that, and although we should be replacing that with growing or innovative tech industry-oriented jobs (think computers, green energy, etc), we in the US dig in our heels and don't seem eager to embrace such.

Meanwhile we continue to fall off educationally, taking us further out of science/research/medicine type fields internationally.

Seems the USA's fastest-growing and most thriving industry right now might be the cooking, serving, and eating of fast junk food. (Edit: which is why the healthcare industry is about 1/5 of our economy)