Oh no...it'll never happen?

[brianwspencer]

End of life discussions? Planning directives on how a patient wants to be treated if they're unable to communicate that later on?

Scandalous stuff, I tell you!

Doctors and patients being responsible and smart, together talking about end of life care isn't really that big of a deal. Nobody ever said that wouldn't happen, because they'd have to be a total moron to think that because it's been happening forever, and it's the right conversation to have -- but of course, THAT wasn't what you meant by your subject line of this thread, because that would make far, far too much sense. The good news for Sarah Palin (and you, by starting this thread), is that now you all get to yell and scream and get paid attention to by idiots dim enough to believe that THIS article has anything at all to do with what you're all going to pretend it does.

Carry on!

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

End of life discussions? Planning directives on how a patient wants to be treated if they're unable to communicate that later on?

Scandalous stuff, I tell you!

Doctors and patients being responsible and smart, together talking about end of life care isn't really that big of a deal. Nobody ever said that wouldn't happen, because they'd have to be a total moron to think that because it's been happening forever, and it's the right conversation to have -- but of course, THAT wasn't what you meant by your subject line of this thread, because that would make far, far too much sense. The good news for Sarah Palin (and you, by starting this thread), is that now you all get to yell and scream and get paid attention to by idiots dim enough to believe that THIS article has anything at all to do with what you're all going to pretend it does.

Carry on!

the next article i post will require a password to access. you'll have to pm me to obtain permission to read it.

only timm can't figure out how to link a goddamn ny times article without use of an intermediary website.

why are you bothering?

[Riot]

Please. I had dinner with my parents tonight, whom Faux News has convinced this is the end of the healthcare world. Even though both have regular insurance Medicare supplement, Medicare, Rx Supplement, and advanced directives. How they got through that without being put to sleep by the government is a miracle!

Seriously - which part of this is supposed to be the nightmare 2010 Political Lie of The Year, Government Takeover of Healthcare and "Death Panels"? (other than what is really happening under Governor Jan Brewer today?)

Under the new policy, outlined in a Medicare regulation, the government will pay doctors who advise patients on options for end-of-life care, which may include advance directives to forgo aggressive life-sustaining treatment.

[Edit: or - gasp! - may include advance directives desiring all aggressive life-sustaining treatment. Patients choice]

The final version of the health care legislation, signed into law by President Obama in March, authorized Medicare coverage of yearly physical examinations, or wellness visits. The new rule says Medicare will cover “voluntary advance care planning,” to discuss end-of-life treatment, as part of the annual visit.

[clyde]

Originally Posted by Riot

Please. I had dinner with my parents tonight, whom Faux News has convinced this is the end of the healthcare world. Even though both have regular insurance Medicare supplement, Medicare, Rx Supplement, and advanced directives. How they got through that without being put to sleep by the government is a miracle!

Seriously - which part of this is supposed to be the nightmare 2010 Political Lie of The Year, Government Takeover of Healthcare and "Death Panels"? (other than what is really happening under Governor Jan Brewer today?)

A shame they didn't eat you to absolve themselves of sin.

!!OOOOOOOOOO!!

[clyde]

I accept these on my own behalf...thanks so much.

Well yeah. Those other smug a-holes hardly ever get 10 pies.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by clyde

A shame they didn't eat you to absolve themselves of sin.

Shame you don't have a personality

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Riot

Please. I had dinner with my parents tonight, whom Faux News has convinced this is the end of the healthcare world. Even though both have regular insurance Medicare supplement, Medicare, Rx Supplement, and advanced directives. How they got through that without being put to sleep by the government is a miracle!

Seriously - which part of this is supposed to be the nightmare 2010 Political Lie of The Year, Government Takeover of Healthcare and "Death Panels"? (other than what is really happening under Governor Jan Brewer today?)

And Obamacare is going to be any better?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

And Obamacare is going to be any better?

What - exactly - do you dislike about Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act? That children can now remain insured on their parents policies until they are 26? That sick children cannot be kicked out of being insured for life due to exceeding a "lifetime cap of benefits" by the time they are eight years old? That your insurance company can't suddenly deny a claim based upon a pre-existing condition?

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Riot

What - exactly - do you dislike about Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act? That children can now remain insured on their parents policies until they are 26? That sick children cannot be kicked out of being insured for life due to exceeding a "lifetime cap of benefits" by the time they are eight years old? That your insurance company can't suddenly deny a claim based upon a pre-existing condition?

There are some good points to this stuff. The point that I am against this bill is why should a unemployed person who isn't looking for work get another free handout. Won't they be covered under this bill? Im hoping it doesn't happen. It won't be fair to the working people who have to support trash like that. I heard that unemployment benefits are now a taxable item.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

There are some good points to this stuff. The point that I am against this bill is why should a unemployed person who isn't looking for work get another free handout. Won't they be covered under this bill?.

Not really any differently than they are today via Medicaid. The bill expands Medicaid availability to those earning up to 133% of the federal poverty level.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

What - exactly - do you dislike

Easy, the fact the government is forcing the healthy and fit to pay for the unhealthy and obese disguised as mandatory coverage and subsidization. Next?

[dellinger63]

lol but I'm sure she has an independent Blue Cross policy thru her bizness.

IMO Guide and console her to death now and save a fortune! I just spoke democrat!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...r-sitting.html

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Easy, the fact the government is forcing the healthy and fit to pay for the unhealthy and obese disguised as mandatory coverage and subsidization. Next?

Right now, and for the past several decades, the healthy and fit pay for the unhealthy and obese. This will decrease those costs. GASP!

"Disguised as mandatory coverage and subsidization" that makes no sense. You'll have to use the Dell Detranslator to rephrase what you are trying to say.

I suppose you don't know that there is, specifically and deliberately written into the bill, zero ability to collect any penalty for not purchasing insurance.