Oh no...it'll never happen?

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

I earned my pension by giving up 20 years of my life for this country? Maybe this country should go to a draft or make people after high school join the military like they do in other countries. Im sure if there was a draft you would have draft dodgers.

I agree we should have a draft and I agree with you also that we should get rid of pensions for government employees altogether and have a matching 401K plan while they are serving or working. We both know the pension model is a failing model just look at the Big-3.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by jms62

I agree we should have a draft and I agree with you also that we should get rid of pensions for government employees altogether and have a matching 401K plan while they are serving or working. We both know the pension model is a failing model just look at the Big-3.

I agree with you about the Big-3. Are there any flaws in a 401K. Just curious about a 401K plan. Thanks.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

I agree with you about the Big-3. Are there any flaws in a 401K. Just curious about a 401K plan. Thanks.

So you disagree about our bloated government pensions? They are ok? Aren't you always screaming about our debt?

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by jms62

So you disagree about our bloated government pensions? They are ok? Aren't you always screaming about our debt?

Im not saying I disagree with pensions. If a 401 will cut the national debt maybe this country should try it. Im sure the money saved will go to Obamacare. While people collecting Social Security get screwed. I wont say anything about the military and retiree's. Oh did I mention them. Sorry about mentioning them.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by jms62

I agree we should have a draft and I agree with you also that we should get rid of pensions for government employees altogether and have a matching 401K plan while they are serving or working. We both know the pension model is a failing model just look at the Big-3.

How about every single citizen spends 2 years in the military upon graduation from high school, in exchange for being able to purchase into national single-payer healthcare, and receiving Social Security in their old age?

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Riot

How about every single citizen spends 2 years in the military upon graduation from high school, in exchange for being able to purchase into national single-payer healthcare, and receiving Social Security in their old age?

I would have no problem whatsoever with it..

[Riot]

Originally Posted by jms62

I would have no problem whatsoever with it..

I guarantee you we wouldn't be so quick to be invading other countries, either.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Riot

I guarantee you we wouldn't be so quick to be invading other countries, either.

War is a multi-multi Billion dollar business. Knocking it down and building it back up.. Those that make the decisions to go to war are very heavily invested.. They sell us the Patriotic bull<shit. Losers are the taxpayers (what else is new) and those killed in combat and their families. The last war we should have been involved in was WWII.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by jms62

War is a multi-multi Billion dollar business. Knocking it down and building it back up.. Those that make the decisions to go to war are very heavily invested.. They sell us the Patriotic bull<shit. Losers are the taxpayers (what else is new) and those killed in combat and their families. The last war we should have been involved in was WWII.

Yup.

With the change in the auto industries, I wonder if defense contracting is left as the biggest industrial complex in the US?