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Old 12-31-2010, 02:21 PM
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It is also government interference with free trade and wishing to tax the life out of industries that once provided jobs. That's why they're moving out of the country. Businesses are in business to make a profit - not to finance government's reckless spending with inflated business taxation.
Not true at all. Business 2 biggest lies are taxes and lack of skilled employees. They are shipping jobs overseas for 1 reason only and that is for higher profits but it is now canibalistc practice.

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But, what incentive is there for someone collecting $400/week on unemployment taking a job paying $450?
There is none. Governmnt needs to think out of the box and give incentives to these people to get back to work as quickly as possible. Maybe 3 months of unemployment if they get back to work within 3 months and stay employeed for 1 year afterwards. Of course there needs to be limits to this practice (maybe once per 2 years).

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Also, the obsession with pursuing a college diploma only to find out when a student graduates college, there aren't enough college jobs out there, and businesses are only going to hire the best of the lot they get to choose from. The student is stuck with student loans and has to work at a job he/she could have gotten fresh out of high school
There are students graduating college today with loans that they have no chance of ever being able to pay back... Can you say student loan crisies a few years down the road.

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Trades - likes plumbers, welders, electricians, roofers, construction, etc. are ripe for opportunities. But too many of our young people think such professions are declasse - but taking a job at McDonalds isn't. And, the military is an option for a paycheck and career opportunities.
All are honorable jobs however there are many of the above getting laid off due to real estate collapse.
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Old 12-31-2010, 02:51 PM
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Not true at all. Business 2 biggest lies are taxes and lack of skilled employees. They are shipping jobs overseas for 1 reason only and that is for higher profits but it is now canibalistc practice.

It is true. Businesses don't like to pull up stakes, lay off people, pay unemployment, and move out of the country. If the government would concentrate on securing the borders and keeping us safe and leave business to its tried and true success in running business without government interference with a bazillion regulations and gargantuan taxation, the U.S. could be well on its way to recovery. And PREZBO just loves courting the favor of labor unions and supports their greed..

There is none. Governmnt needs to think out of the box and give incentives to these people to get back to work as quickly as possible. Maybe 3 months of unemployment if they get back to work within 3 months and stay employeed for 1 year afterwards. Of course there needs to be limits to this practice (maybe once per 2 years).

I don't disagree, but extending unemployment benefits for as long as they are going on accomplishes nothing. Spend that money on education, training, and, as you say, incentives.

There are students graduating college today with loans that they have no chance of ever being able to pay back... Can you say student loan crisies a few years down the road.

Again, I don't disagree. But, there are far too many C- minus high school students being pushed into pursuing a college education, graduating with bare minimum grades and expecting the employment world to fall at their feet.

All are honorable jobs however there are many of the above getting laid off due to real estate collapse.

There are areas of the country that are crying for trades people. People who already own houses need electricians, plumbers, roofers, maintenance, etc., etc. And, a good number of unemployed people living in economically depressed areas are loathe to move away from their "home" to seek employment elsewhere.
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Old 12-31-2010, 03:25 PM
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There are areas of the country that are crying for trades people. People who already own houses need electricians, plumbers, roofers, maintenance, etc., etc. And, a good number of unemployed people living in economically depressed areas are loathe to move away from their "home" to seek employment elsewhere.[/quote]

Seriously, what areas of the country are crying for tradespeople? Not the largest and fastest growing areas (Arizona, etc.) People there are losing their recently-built houses, not fixing them up. Nobody can afford roofing, etc nowadays.

People can't move away from their homes to find new work, unfortunately, because they can't sell their houses without losing everything. They may want to move, but they are stuck. It's not just because they don't want to move, if they leave they will be living in their cars.
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Seriously, what areas of the country are crying for tradespeople? Not the largest and fastest growing areas (Arizona, etc.) People there are losing their recently-built houses, not fixing them up. Nobody can afford roofing, etc nowadays.

People can't move away from their homes to find new work, unfortunately, because they can't sell their houses without losing everything. They may want to move, but they are stuck. It's not just because they don't want to move, if they leave they will be living in their cars.
Well, I'm looking in the help wanted section of our local newspaper - there's still a bunch of jobs that aren't burger flipping. There are areas where jobs can be found - and I'm NOT talking about overly constructed areas like Arizona and Las Vegas. There are plenty of people who have their homes paid off or aren't struggling to pay a mortgage but have to do maintenance on their homes in order to keep them livable.

If someone is unemployed, chances are they're going to lose their home anyway. Not saying the whole family pick up roots and leave, but the breadwinner goes where work can be found. It's a hardship, but inertia is comfortable for only a little while.
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I agree it's complicated, it varies by area of the country, and there's certainly not one answer.
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There is none. Governmnt needs to think out of the box and give incentives to these people to get back to work as quickly as possible.
Right now America's infrastructure is dangerously crumbling. The government could do a massive work hiring program to both fix this and put hundreds of thousands back to work, but that is met with overwhelming screaming against the spending, and the pooh-poohing that those jobs are temporary over just a few years.

How is this unemployment crisis supposed to be corrected? By cutting business taxes? That hasn't worked for the past 10 years, those policies oversaw the loss of 800,000 jobs. Frankly, the auto company bailouts worked, as it made what's left lean, mean and profitable, including payback for those loans. But the scale was too small, and the new auto mfg paradigm cuts thousands of jobs permanently. We need to invest in manufacturing within the US. Other countries are already far ahead of us in doing that.
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