Black Caviar at Royal Ascot Saturday AM

Originally Posted by cmorioles

To be somewhat fair, Zenyatta lost on dirt by a head in the best dirt race in the world at the age of 6, and she easily won a very prestigious G1 race as a 4yo in her 4th career race. I hate how she was handled, but she was more than a synthetic horse.

Like I don't know that?

I'm not willing to take those dirt races she had and compare them to 22 races of Black Caviar and say she's better

Zenyatta may have been better but her connections were blatant cowards. One trip over the rockies doesn't make up for how weak Jerry Moss was.

It's impossible to know who is actually better. And it's asinine that it was brought up in the first place.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Like I don't know that?

I'm not willing to take those dirt races she had and compare them to 22 races of Black Caviar and say she's better

Zenyatta may have been better but her connections were blatant cowards. One trip over the rockies doesn't make up for how weak Jerry Moss was.

It's impossible to know who is actually better. And it's asinine that it was brought up in the first place.

Get over yourself.

It is sweet seeing you and Riot agreeing here however. Maybe that's really what is bothering you.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Get over yourself.

It is sweet seeing you and Riot agreeing here however. Maybe that's really what is bothering you.

That's hilarious coming from you of all people considering who you work for and what line of work you came from.

I know what I am, f.uckface. And I've been completely over myself for some time. You, on the other hand, are an a.sshole of epic proportions representing the biggest bunch of incompetent douches in all of horse racing. And to even bring up a synthetic specialist against a horse who runs on a traditional surface just shows how completely out of touch you are.

Yeah Geelong, Wolverhampton, and F.ucking Lingfield are the future of racing. GTFO with your nonsense.

In 3 months of competition Black Caviar faced the boys 4 times at 4 different tracks compared to Zenyatta who had 2 races against the boys in the span of 12 months.

Yeah Zenyatta is clearly better and you're an idiot if you think otherwise said the paid shill.

Keep listening to the guy about everything. He's never wrong.

Me? I'm out of here. Can't continue this nonsense with people I'm basically supporting.

Starve midget. Cry over that word you insignificant narcissistic midget.

[Calzone Lord]

I was more impressed with Black Caviar than I thought I would be when I spent the time studying her form, performances, and home competition the best I could.

She is a true killer at her specialist distance. It's hard to win by those type of margins in turf sprints and the caliber of turf sprinter in AUS and NZ are better than I assumed.

20 wins over males and splitting them open and running times that appear very fast for the track in a lot of cases.

Obviously fillies and mares have more success against the boys in sprint races than route races. A lot of female speed sprinters have performed outstanding in the BC Sprint and few have been tried. Fillies and Mares also have more success against males on turf than they do on dirt. It's obviously a lot more rare for females to do well in dirt routes than turf sprints.

Like BTW mentioned earlier in the thread, there is a value system in horse racing and it's very hard to put turf sprint specialists with racers in the upper echelon. They just aren't even close to being important relative to horses who compete in the big races between 8-to-12 furlongs.

To use a general sports analogy -- Mariano Rivera was GREAT at throwing one pitch (a cut fast-ball) and pitching one inning. He was a specialist. Black Caviar has done a lot of great things and looks impossible to beat going 5 furlongs. However, a closer in baseball is far more valued than a turf sprinter is in horse racing.

Closers like Dennis Eckersley and Eric Gagne have won Cy Young awards. You'll have players in the Hall of Fame for what they've done as a closer. Turf sprinters get absolutely no respect in American horse racing year-end awards and Hall of Fame voting. And in Europe, only one turf sprinter has ever been European Horse of the Year ... that was the mare Lochsong in 1993.

[blackthroatedwind]

I think Drama Queen of the Day has been settled.