Black Caviar at Royal Ascot Saturday AM

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Phone Trick, as Salami will no doubt say I am going to say. PT lost because of the instructions Mandella gave Pincay and he's blamed himself ever since.

Jorge Velasquez rode Phone Trick in NY.

Groovy, on a loose lead, was damn tough, but he was not the most consistent or gamest horse ever.

Groovy won 10 of 15 starts when he began sprinting in earnest. One of those defeats was in the Jerome going 8f. He beat the older Phone Trick as a 3yo before he was well-established.

On the Line, once Lukas figured him out, was awesome.

On The Line was running in route races all the way to the end of his career. For good reason, he did well in many of them.

Lit De Justice ran races that could take your breath away.

That horse could barely win 2 races in a row. Great turn of foot when he actually used it.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Jorge Velasquez rode Phone Trick in NY.


Groovy won 10 of 15 starts when he began sprinting in earnest. One of those defeats was in the Jerome going 8f. He beat the older Phone Trick as a 3yo before he was well-established.


On The Line was running in route races all the way to the end of his career. For good reason, he did well in many of them.


That horse could barely win 2 races in a row. Great turn of foot when he actually used it.

My bad on the jockey in NY. It was like 27 years ago and my take on jockeys are that they are mostly useless.

Everyone knew Groovy was a sprinter. Maybe you meant dedicated sprinter. He beat Phone Trick because Mandella thought it best to concede the lead to Groovy. Groovy didn't fare well when hooked by a quality speed horse, or worse, if he was forced to chase a quality speed horse.

On the Line was a sprinter by the end of his career. There is no doubt about that.

And yeah, Lit de Justice was a freaking nut case. When he fired, he was just about unbeatable (provided Nak didn't give him too awful a ride/trip).

I'm not saying Groovy wasn't a great sprinter. I just feel that there are a number of sprinters, that if all were on their best that day, would beat him.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

On the Line was a sprinter by the end of his career. There is no doubt about that.

On The Line's last 3 starts before his ill-fated BC Sprint were at a mile or more.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

On The Line's last 3 starts before his ill-fated BC Sprint were at a mile or more.

True, but Lukas was a freaking idiot. On The Line was clearly a better sprinter, he just happened to be a pretty good versatile runner.

If you like, I'll post On The Line's lifetime PPs.

[King Glorious]

King Glorious was pretty damn fast too. Set a track record in his debut. Set a stakes record in his second start. Ran a 1:08 4/5 at Hollywood in his third. Ran 1:21 1/5 at Hollywood to just miss a track record in his fourth. The DRF reported at the time that it equaled the second fastest time ever for a 2yo.

Lost in the Fog is forgotten but he ran some really fast races. He may have been sub-1:07 twice. Olympic Prospect was another pretty fast one. At his best, Artax deserves a mention. He should have been horse of the year in 1999.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

King Glorious was pretty damn fast too. Set a track record in his debut. Set a stakes record in his second start. Ran a 1:08 4/5 at Hollywood in his third. Ran 1:21 1/5 at Hollywood to just miss a track record in his fourth. The DRF reported at the time that it equaled the second fastest time ever for a 2yo.

Lost in the Fog is forgotten but he ran some really fast races. He may have been sub-1:07 twice. Olympic Prospect was another pretty fast one. At his best, Artax deserves a mention. He should have been horse of the year in 1999.

King Glorious's sprint that he won in the mud by like 20 was one of the great performances of that era.

I know he beat crap, but still. That was awesome.