Black Caviar at Royal Ascot Saturday AM

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes. And if she had been 100%, and able to run to her (130 rating) - correction, Timeform rates her at 136, rather than the 115 that race got, she may have smoked the other race in time, and beaten that field by 10 lengths. We don't know. Have you ever watched the mares previous races? She holds the all-time, all-Australia record for the fastest 200 meters mid-race ever: 9 plus seconds. What American race horses have ever run 9-10 second furlongs mid-race in a 6 or 7 furlong race? I'm sure there are a few, but it's rare - a job for Lord to search his records and find out for us.

I did concede that it's logical to think that she could have run faster and won by more but I also don't think it should be considered as automatic. The other horses in the race were supposedly of grade one quality and their finishes weren't compromised by injury and they were below what was done in the next race. So I think we either believe that her race, even without injury, would have been right about on the level with what handicap horses did the next race or we believe that without the injury, she would have destroyed the field by 10+ and gotten her usual rating. I she usually running off and winning top races by 10+?

[Riot]

Yes. The mare usually wins by 3 to 6-7 lengths eased up. She's done it repeatedly in excellent times against good Grade 1 company (Hay List, Buffering), setting records, against older and colts, different tracks, etc.

If you are trying to make the argument this race at Ascot was average for Grade 1, yes. It was rated a 115. I don't see anybody arguing this race was outstanding.

If you are trying to use one of the worse races of Black Caviar's career, a race in which she was injured during the running, yet still won, as an indicator of the quality of the mare, that's wrong.

The mare was the Top Rated grass sprinter in the world before Ascot, and she still is, today. Her races are all on YouTube for anyone to see, and the times, distances and quality of competition is well-documented.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I did concede that it's logical to think that she could have run faster and won by more but I also don't think it should be considered as automatic. The other horses in the race were supposedly of grade one quality and their finishes weren't compromised by injury and they were below what was done in the next race. So I think we either believe that her race, even without injury, would have been right about on the level with what handicap horses did the next race or we believe that without the injury, she would have destroyed the field by 10+ and gotten her usual rating. I she usually running off and winning top races by 10+?

KG!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBh1iOpQQ_s