NYTHA Lasix Primer & Letter to NYS RWB

[Riot]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I ask again, what it the harm in waiting? Nobody seems to want to answer that question.

No. It's been answered multiple times. You've deliberately and repeatedly ignored it.

The answer is: 93% of horses experience EIPH when racing. Furosemide decreases that number. That is why the veterinary and scientific world overwhelmingly and without reservation advises furosemides' continued use as a therapeutic race day drug.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Riot

No. It's been answered multiple times. You've deliberately and repeatedly ignored it.

The answer is: 93% of horses experience EIPH when racing. Furosemide decreases that number. That is why the veterinary and scientific world overwhelmingly and without reservation advises furosemides' continued use as a therapeutic race day drug.

Two questions...what about the other 7%? What is the harm in actually waiting until they bleed? It is obvious to me these bleeding episodes don't do any long term damage to the horse. The facts don't lie.

[Merlinsky]

Bob Baffert on Twitter -‏ @Midnightlute If they take race day lasix away I will recommend to all my clients to sell their broodmares asap. Racing will not survive.

So you'll help it along by telling your clients to sell their broodmares?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Two questions...what about the other 7%? What is the harm in actually waiting until they bleed?

Who is giving those horses lasix? You're the only one saying they are. Is that based upon your own personal experience with your own horses?

It is obvious to me these bleeding episodes don't do any long term damage to the horse. The facts don't lie.

The facts are that the veterinary scientific community says, repeatedly and with emphasis, that you are wrong. The veterinary community says that yes, Exercise-Induced Pulmonary Hemorrhage scars lungs and causes increasing and permanent damage over time.

No. The facts don't lie.

People who are non-scientifically oriented mistakenly think that simply saying something with conviction, and repeating it ever more loudly, makes something true. They are wrong. And it needs to stop.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Riot

Who is giving those horses lasix? You're the only one saying they are. Is that based upon your own personal experience with your own horses?



The facts are that the veterinary scientific community says, repeatedly and with emphasis, that you are wrong. The veterinary community says that yes, Exercise-Induced Pulmonary Hemorrhage scars lungs and causes increasing and permanent damage over time.

No. The facts don't lie.

People who are non-scientifically oriented mistakenly think that simply saying something with conviction, and repeating it ever more loudly, makes something true. They are wrong. And it needs to stop.

I don't own horses, never have, but I've been around plenty of barns. 93% bleed. Do you know the percentage of horses that get Lasix? Are you saying it is 93% or lower? Ummm, I think not.

By damage, I'm saying it doesn't cause a decrease in performance. If it did, we would see it on the track from all those Euro horses that aren't "entitled" to Lasix. Doesn't seem to phase them one bit.