Tyler Baze - put the whiskey down, son

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by 57rick

If that bartender shut me off, I'd find someone who would.
Better yet, buy a bottle for myself.

I get cooly buzzed after two to three drinks. That's all I'm looking for when I drink.

You're like Caller One trying to go a mile and a half.

[57rick]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

I get cooly buzzed after two to three drinks. That's all I'm looking for when I drink.

You're like Caller One trying to go a mile and a half.

You're right... and I thought my drinking was 'normal'!
I was wrong again!

[Calzone Lord]

Due to your selflessly taking one on the chin/liver, I sure hope there's a lot of less-than-attractive women out there who wouldn't otherwise achieve sexual satisfaction.

If that's the case -- you're kinda giving.

There's no reason to push past that coolly buzzed zone...unless you're out to nail an ugly chick and feel really good about it.

22 drinks...and I'd probably hit on Vol Jack in a whig.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

There comes a point though.

People who get to blame it for everything, just like people who are total **** ups but who blame Mommy and Daddy....

Enough.

Yes it's a disease BUT one that begins with a choice.

I feel sorry for people who horrible random diseases... who never had a say about their death sentence.

Alcoholics, especially the self-absorbed ones who think everyone cares about their daily success in overcoming their gasp sickness?

I wish everyone well but really... we all have things we deal with. You are not the only ones.

I wonder if you're mistaking "self-absorbed ones who think everyone cares about their daily success in overcoming their gasp sickness" with "alcoholics who wish people would stop sh*tting all over them and talking down to them, pretending that just a little bit more willpower here and there would fix everything?"

An awfully surprising and obnoxious post from someone for whom empathy is usually (and from me personally, I'd add 'admirably') such a big deal.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by 57rick

Please read the Doctors Opinion in the book Alcoholics Annonomous.

Oh gee may I? Really?

Oh boy I haven't / wasted enough of my life trying to understand, being supportive, rescuing people from bad places and bringing them to their doctors, rehab, 12 step programs, taking care of their personl stuff or their families cause they were too screwed up...

You seem like a nice person so you probably don't know how patronizing this line sounds.

Originally Posted by 57rick

It does not begin with choice.

... because someone puts a gun to their head IN THE FIRST PLACE and insists they drink.

That's my point, that's what I mean., They choose to drink and keep drinking in the first place. You don't become an alcoholic in a matter of days.

I have tried to keep my mouth shut on this thread and just couldn't any more.

I'm sick and tired of all the alcoholics I know anyway acting like they have some kind of badge that makes it okay for them to be so ****ing self-involved cause believe me if other people need them for any emergency, any medical thing, help in the smallest sense of the word or whatever they are too busy reminding the world that THEY HAVE A DISEASE.

Sorry but it is tiresome and after a while I just want to say go drink yourself to death if that's what you want.

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I wonder if you're mistaking "self-absorbed ones who think everyone cares about their daily success in overcoming their gasp sickness" with "alcoholics who wish people would stop sh*tting all over them and talking down to them, pretending that just a little bit more willpower here and there would fix everything?"

An awfully surprising and obnoxious post from someone for whom empathy is usually (and from me personally, I'd add 'admirably') such a big deal.

Maybe it's just that in my life they have to come first and have for the past decade and the minute anyone else needs a single ounce of decency they are offended because to hell with anyone else... they are the only ones with a problem.

[57rick]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Oh gee may I? Really?

Oh boy I haven't / wasted enough of my life trying to understand, being supportive, rescuing people from bad places and bringing them to their doctors, rehab, 12 step programs, taking care of their personl stuff or their families cause they were too screwed up...

You seem like a nice person so you probably don't know how patronizing this line sounds.

... because someone puts a gun to their head IN THE FIRST PLACE and insists they drink.

That's my point, that's what I mean., They choose to drink and keep drinking in the first place. You don't become an alcoholic in a matter of days.

I have tried to keep my mouth shut on this thread and just couldn't any more.

I'm sick and tired of all the alcoholics I know anyway acting like they have some kind of badge that makes it okay for them to be so ****ing self-involved cause believe me if other people need them for any emOergency, any medical thing, help in the smallest sense of the word or whatever they are too busy reminding the world that THEY HAVE A DISEASE.

Sorry but it is tiresome and after a while I just want to say go drink yourself to death if that's what you want.







Maybe it's just that in my life they have to come first and have for the past decade and the minute anyone else needs a single ounce of decency they are offended because to hell with anyone else... they are the only ones with a problem.

I agree with you that's how active alcoholics are.
'selfishness, self-centerness, that we think is the root of our problem'.
I was all I thought about... Me me me; but I didn't know it & no one could make me see it.
It seems from what you write, its family or friends that are alcoholics, not you.
Perhaps you could choose to stop enabling them or go to Al-anon to see how others deal with selfish drunks.

Maybe you're just an awful person, MMSC. I'm ashamed of you for not holding sentient beings accountable for their choices.

"But it's not a choice!"

Suck it hard, moron.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

I am not getting into this battle but this series of pics culminating in the passed out cigarette guy is hilarious.

My two cents on alcoholism? Try working with the alcoholic when you have to carry their weight on the job and I bet some of this sensitivity goes away pretty quickly.

[3kings]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I am not getting into this battle but this series of pics culminating in the passed out cigarette guy is hilarious.

My two cents on alcoholism? Try working with the alcoholic when you have to carry their weight on the job and I bet some of this sensitivity goes away pretty quickly.

I agree with this, the closer you are and the more you are impacted the less compassion you will have.

The most interesting thing about this thread to me and how it differs from Cancer etc..... Kev said if he goes to the bar he knows he will drink and not be able to stop. He has been able to avoid this temptation and not drink for a while now. People with cancer or other awful diseases do not have this option. While both are diseases I believe that people with alcoholism, at least in some cases, can make choices that will keep them healthy.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by 3kings

I agree with this, the closer you are and the more you are impacted the less compassion you will have.

The most interesting thing about this thread to me and how it differs from Cancer etc..... Kev said if he goes to the bar he knows he will drink and not be able to stop. He has been able to avoid this temptation and not drink for a while now. People with cancer or other awful diseases do not have this option. While both are diseases I believe that people with alcoholism, at least in some cases, can make choices that will keep them healthy.

Going into a bar doesn't actually bother me. Being around alcohol doesn't bother me in the least. Hell, I bought the boys a few rounds in Tampa and had no problem carrying 2-3 beers in my hands. There was no temptation there at all for me.

The difficult thing for me to convey and equally difficult for the average drinker to understand is that when an alcoholic is in the depths of his illness, there is no choice. That is the power that alcohol can have over people. When it comes to alcohol, my mind and body are wired completely different than others. I never expect anyone to understand that, just as I can't understand people that are able to have just a few.

As a group, we can go around and around about this topic all day, but just like most controversial topics, there is always gonna be 2 sides and rarely will one side be able to change the view points of others. Personally, I am blessed to have family and friends in my life that, even though they may not understand alcoholism, they support me in my effort to remain sober.

[tanner12oz]

my girlfriend (unhappily) is an alcoholic and it's a nightmare....she comes from a whole family of boozers and she literally turns into a monster when she drinks...it's like jekyll and hyde...can't tell you how many times i have been unable to drag her out of a bar or away from a bottle at 3am only to be berated by insults or having random objects thrown at me for trying to get her on track...next morning rules around with things and shambles and she doesn't even acknowledge anything happened....

it's downright scary how alcohol makes people and until you are around someone who cannot control themselves you would never know...

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Maybe you're just an awful person, MMSC.

I guess I wont be in the noms for Miss Congeniality now.

Seriously, sorry to anyone I offended but sometimes **** in life makes you change what you believe as I know you all know.

I feel very taken advantage of and while I'm not in general a bitter person i do at times feel like the life is being sucked out of me (enter Freddy with an angels thread joke).

I'm done on this thread.

Good luck to everyone with your issues or those of loved ones.

I hope things get easier all the way around for everyone struggling in any way.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by tanner12oz

my girlfriend (unhappily) is an alcoholic and it's a nightmare....she comes from a whole family of boozers and she literally turns into a monster when she drinks...it's like jekyll and hyde...can't tell you how many times i have been unable to drag her out of a bar or away from a bottle at 3am only to be berated by insults or having random objects thrown at me for trying to get her on track...next morning rules around with things and shambles and she doesn't even acknowledge anything happened....

it's downright scary how alcohol makes people and until you are around someone who cannot control themselves you would never know...

ok...i'll bite.

so, why in the world is she still your girlfriend?

[Calzone Lord]

I buy a big ole bottle of Jack Daniels and keep it in the freezer at my girlfriends house. I mix it up with Coke or Pepsi and get down with it.

I usually pass out in bed while we're watching a movie. My gf tells me stories about how I talk jibberish in my sleep.

One time, she said a conversation went like this...

Me: Did ya bet the under?

Her: Huh?

Me: Did ya bet the under?

Her: whaaa? What does 'bet the under mean'?

Me: Show me the ticket

Her: Whaaa?

Me: Show me the ticket

Her: What does bet the under mean? what are you talking about? What ticket?


Another one .....

Me: Pizza and Oranges.

Her: What? Pizza and Oranges!?

Me: Peace and Quiet... I said peace and quiet.


I have my doubts about this...but she claims she's going to record me the next time I do it.