Tyler Baze - put the whiskey down, son

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Very classy. You should be so proud. Humor at another hurting human's expense.

What makes the internet such a lovely place.

Hold your head high. It must be a great day for you.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

Very classy. You should be so proud. Humor at another hurting human's expense.

What makes the internet such a lovely place.

Hold your head high. It must be a great day for you.

what was wrong with it? the guy is mocking someone who is wasting his life and talents. i don't know that tyler is the victim here. his issues are self-inflicted. he has the ability to rise above it, but right now chooses not to. if he's hurting, it's his own fault.

Originally Posted by Danzig

what was wrong with it? the guy is mocking someone who is wasting his life and talents. i don't know that tyler is the victim here. his issues are self-inflicted. he has the ability to rise above it, but right now chooses not to. if he's hurting, it's his own fault.

If you don't know what's wrong with that posting. Explaining it to you would be useless.

Is it the FAULT of someone that's hurting because of Cancer, or MS or any other debilitating disease? None of those self inflicted.

Your ignorance and insensitivity is even more frightening than Coach's hate.

Unbeileveable!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

If you don't know what's wrong with that posting. Explaining it to you would be useless.

Is it the FAULT of someone that's hurting because of Cancer, or MS or any other debilitating disease?

Your ignorance and insensitivity is even more frightening than Coach's hate.

Unblieveable!

sorry, i've never bought into it being a disease. you can't decide to put down the cancer bottle, or the ms bottle. i think they started calling it a disease so that insurance companies would start covering the treatment, but i'm sure that's just the cynic in me. as for it being an addiction, so hard to overcome...i smoked for 15 years, which was half my life when i quit cold turkey. so, even tho many say it's such a hard nut to crack, i didn't find it to be so at all. you just have to make up your mind. tyler needs to get to that point-the sooner the better.
and funny, those times i have come to your defense on here in the past, i bet you didn't think i was ignorant and insensitive. appreciate that.

[herkhorse]

Originally Posted by Danzig

sorry, i've never bought into it being a disease. you can't decide to put down the cancer bottle, or the ms bottle. i think they started calling it a disease so that insurance companies would start covering the treatment, but i'm sure that's just the cynic in me.
and funny, those times i have come to your defense on here in the past, i bet you didn't think i was ignorant and insensitive. appreciate that.

Originally Posted by Danzig

sorry, i've never bought into it being a disease. you can't decide to put down the cancer bottle, or the ms bottle. i think they started calling it a disease so that insurance companies would start covering the treatment, but i'm sure that's just the cynic in me. as for it being an addiction, so hard to overcome...i smoked for 15 years, which was half my life when i quit cold turkey. so, even tho many say it's such a hard nut to crack, i didn't find it to be so at all. you just have to make up your mind. tyler needs to get to that point-the sooner the better.
and funny, those times i have come to your defense on here in the past, i bet you didn't think i was ignorant and insensitive. appreciate that.

Coming to my defense over internet drivel and not knowing what the entire worldwide medical community now agree upon is two very different things.

"You just have to make up your mind" Good chance those are the 8 most assinine words ever posted on any message board about any subject.

Unbelieveable!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

Coming to my defense over internet drivel and not knowing what the entire worldwide medical community now agree upon is two very different things.

"You just have to make up your mind" Good chance those are the 8 most assinine words ever posted on any message board about any subject.

Unbelieveable!

i'm pretty sure that i've heard people say many times that there are people who have to hit rock bottom before they realize that's where they'd been headed all along, and then decide to do something about it. that's what i meant by 'you have to make up your mind'. sadly, not everyone hits rock bottom and is able to pull themselves back up. some shoot right thru the bottom.
forgive my being so asinine; make no mistake, i do hope tyler is able to pull himself out of his mess. it always boggles my mind when people waste their life.

tyler's in a bad spot, and i do hope he gets out of it.

[Honu]

My brother died in 2005 from drinking, he couldnt stop, not mentally or physically. My birth father is also an alcoholic as well as another brother who if it wasnt that he was incarcirated for 12 years would most likely be dead as well. For some reason my oldest brother and I are not like the other two in that we can drink but its not like it is or was with the other two.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

If you don't know what's wrong with that posting. Explaining it to you would be useless.

Is it the FAULT of someone that's hurting because of Cancer, or MS or any other debilitating disease? None of those self inflicted.

Your ignorance and insensitivity is even more frightening than Coach's hate.

Unbeileveable!

Yeah Vic....... an alcoholic who has had many chances to straighten out and people who get cancer is a great comparison. You are a jagoff of the highest order.

Nice job with that whining letter where you completely threw Wrona under the bus. Funny coming from a guy who all the time preaches about the announcers "brotherhood". What's next? You gonna slash John Dooley's tires hoping he will miss work and get fired from Fair Grounds....then send a letter begging for the job?

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Yeah Vic....... an alcoholic who has had many chances to straighten out and people who get cancer is a great comparison. You are a jagoff of the highest order.

Nice job with that whining letter where you completely threw Wrona under the bus. Funny coming from a guy who all the time preaches about the announcers "brotherhood". What's next? You gonna slash John Dooley's tires hoping he will miss work and get fired from Fair Grounds....then send a letter begging for the job?

Alcoholism and Cancer are both diseases.

Don't take my word for it.

You're a learned person.

Do the research.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

Alcoholism and Cancer are both diseases.

Don't take my word for it.

You're a learned person.

Do the research.

Sorry Vic...I don't buy it. You want to call them diseases...fine. One disease you have absolutely no control of getting it, the other "disease" you have complete control of getting it. You should be ashamed of grouping them together as similar.

Baze had a huge career in front of him and threw it all away for booze. He's weak...end of story.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Sorry Vic...I don't buy it. You want to call them diseases...fine. One disease you have absolutely no control of getting it, the other "disease" you have complete control of getting it. You should be ashamed of grouping them together as similar.

Baze had a huge career in front of him and threw it all away for booze. He's weak...end of story.

So people who get skin cancer and die from it deserve what they got because they didnt wear sunscreen or stay out of sun? They had a choice you know.

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Sorry Vic...I don't buy it. You want to call them diseases...fine. One disease you have absolutely no control of getting it, the other "disease" you have complete control of getting it. You should be ashamed of grouping them together as similar.

Baze had a huge career in front of him and threw it all away for booze. He's weak...end of story.

Not recognizing alcoholism as a disease is like assuming that the mentally ill just need to "snap out of it."

Defined:

In a 1992 JAMA article, the Joint Committee of the National Council on Alcoholism and Drug Dependence, Inc. (NCADD) and the American Society of Addiction Medicine (ASAM) published this definition for alcoholism:
“Alcoholism is a primary chronic disease with genetic, psychosocial and environmental factors influencing its development and manifestations. The disease is often progressive and fatal. It is characterized by impaired control over drinking, preoccupation with the drug alcohol, use of alcohol despite adverse consequences, and distortions in thinking, mostly denial. Each of these symptoms may be continuous or periodic.”

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Sorry Vic...I don't buy it. You want to call them diseases...fine. One disease you have absolutely no control of getting it, the other "disease" you have complete control of getting it. You should be ashamed of grouping them together as similar.

Baze had a huge career in front of him and threw it all away for booze. He's weak...end of story.

Actually many will say that humans do have control over getting many forms of cancer and other diseases.

It's a medical certainty that smoking makes a person much much more likely to get lung cancer and or emphysema.

Chewing tobacco greatly enhances ones chances of being afflicted with throat cancer.

Bad diet and obesity contribute to diabetes.

I could list a myriad of others.

Your statement is preposterous.

[trackrat59]

Originally Posted by Danzig

what was wrong with it? the guy is mocking someone who is wasting his life and talents. i don't know that tyler is the victim here. his issues are self-inflicted. he has the ability to rise above it, but right now chooses not to. if he's hurting, it's his own fault.

Perhaps not. That's what's wrong with your theory.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by trackrat59

Perhaps not. That's what's wrong with your theory.

alcoholics can't rise above it? really? i worked with a guy who realized he had a problem and quit drinking years ago. i think he rose above it quite nicely.

[trackrat59]

Danzig:

There are plenty of people that can't stop drinking. It does seem like a simple concept - just stop drinking. It doesn't work that way.

Some of us have been turned upside down by somone who just could not stop drinking.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by trackrat59

Danzig:

There are plenty of people that can't stop drinking. It does seem like a simple concept - just stop drinking. It doesn't work that way.

Some of us have been turned upside down by somone who just could not stop drinking.

Originally Posted by trackrat59

Danzig:

There are plenty of people that can't stop drinking. It does seem like a simple concept - just stop drinking. It doesn't work that way.

Some of us have been turned upside down by somone who just could not stop drinking.

I have been. 3 times. Dad, Brother, Best Friend. All gone now.

[Sightseek]

Glad you chimed in here Trackrat.