Tyler Baze - put the whiskey down, son

[GPK]

Originally Posted by pba1817

Alcoholism is a lifestyle choice, a surroundings choice, and ultimately an access choice.

Example- Take an alcoholic(Josh Hamilton) and move him to Saudi Arabia. Miraculously, he will be immediately "cured".

Now, lets take a cancer patient(Gary Carter) and move him to a country who prohibits cancer....

Speaking only from my own experience, alcoholism is not a lifestyle choice. I would have never in a million years chosen to be an alcoholic, but I am. Trust me, I would give my left nut to able to drink like a normal person. I sat with my good buddies MaTH and BT at dinner one night last week in Tampa, and watched as they both had 2 beers with dinner? 2 Beers?!? are you kidding me? My mind can't grasp the concept of just 2 beers. I have never been able to have "just 2 beers." Once alcohol enters my system, it just craves more and more. It's the way both my mind and body are wired. I quit drinking for 3 months one time after a car accident and thought for sure that I was cured and that I didn't have a problem. I went out one night with some friends and got drunk...and then got drunk again the next night and the night after that, etc...inside of 1 month of starting to drink again, I was shotgunning beers at 10am in the morning at work, just so I would quit shaking and so that I could make it through the day. You really think someone would CHOOSE to live like that? Come on...you're better than that. I could pick up a drink today, and nothing in the world will have changed. My only option is 100% abstention. I will always be an alcoholic, even if I manage to stay sober the rest of my life.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GPK

Speaking only from my own experience, alcoholism is not a lifestyle choice. I would have never in a million years chosen to be an alcoholic, but I am. Trust me, I would give my left nut to able to drink like a normal person. I sat with my good buddies MaTH and BT at dinner one night last week in Tampa, and watched as they both had 2 beers with dinner? 2 Beers?!? are you kidding me? My mind can't grasp the concept of just 2 beers. I have never been able to have "just 2 beers." Once alcohol enters my system, it just craves more and more. It's the way both my mind and body are wired. I quit drinking for 3 months one time after a car accident and thought for sure that I was cured and that I didn't have a problem. I went out one night with some friends and got drunk...and then got drunk again the next night and the night after that, etc...inside of 1 month of starting to drink again, I was shotgunning beers at 10am in the morning at work, just so I would quit shaking and so that I could make it through the day. You really think someone would CHOOSE to live like that? Come on...you're better than that. I could pick up a drink today, and nothing in the world will have changed. My only option is 100% abstention. I will always be an alcoholic, even if I manage to stay sober the rest of my life.

i don't think that alcoholism itself is a choice. however, you've chosen to stay away from alcohol-that is where choice comes in. i'm glad you're able to stay away from it, altho i'm sure it's difficult at times.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i don't think that alcoholism itself is a choice. however, you've chosen to stay away from alcohol-that is where choice comes in. i'm glad you're able to stay away from it, altho i'm sure it's difficult at times.

It's very difficult when you're surrounded by deranged drunk degenerates that are yelling "rebuff, rebuff" at a 3-5 shot that Corey Nakatani is riding and we have a $216 show ticket on him.

It can be difficult at times, but the thing that always wins out in the end for me, is that I know Amelia doesn't deserve a drunk for a daddy. I know I would be useless to her as a father, if I was to ever drink again. I have accepted the fact that I can't drink like a normal person, although normal people don't drink normal to me.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Just got a retweet by Simon Bray - unfounded rumor that T Baze is in ICU at a Monrovia area hospital..

[banter]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Just got a retweet by Simon Bray - unfounded rumor that T Baze is in ICU at a Monrovia area hospital..

Omg, why?

Sad news indeed.

Jamie Kisely had the original tweet.

http://twitter.com/#!/JamieKisely

Then The Knight Sky tweeted about it. Followed by BoBike1 who was re-tweeted by Simon Bray. Confirmed by jballs

[jballscalls]

I'm friends with many northwest Baze family members and they were all asking for prayers last night and said he was hospitalized. Hopefully he can get past this and beat his demons.

[GPK]

I'm bet he's glad he choose to be an alcoholic.

[Danzig]

bloodhorse headline said he fell at home. then, in the body of the article, they said 'after a spill'. never saw a fall at home categorized as a spill before!

[Rileyoriley]

Originally Posted by GPK

Speaking only from my own experience, alcoholism is not a lifestyle choice. I would have never in a million years chosen to be an alcoholic, but I am. Trust me, I would give my left nut to able to drink like a normal person. I sat with my good buddies MaTH and BT at dinner one night last week in Tampa, and watched as they both had 2 beers with dinner? 2 Beers?!? are you kidding me? My mind can't grasp the concept of just 2 beers. I have never been able to have "just 2 beers." Once alcohol enters my system, it just craves more and more. It's the way both my mind and body are wired. I quit drinking for 3 months one time after a car accident and thought for sure that I was cured and that I didn't have a problem. I went out one night with some friends and got drunk...and then got drunk again the next night and the night after that, etc...inside of 1 month of starting to drink again, I was shotgunning beers at 10am in the morning at work, just so I would quit shaking and so that I could make it through the day. You really think someone would CHOOSE to live like that? Come on...you're better than that. I could pick up a drink today, and nothing in the world will have changed. My only option is 100% abstention. I will always be an alcoholic, even if I manage to stay sober the rest of my life.

You WILL manage to stay sober Kev. You have a little girl to take care of now. She needs you.

[2MinsToPost]

Originally Posted by GPK

Speaking only from my own experience, alcoholism is not a lifestyle choice. I would have never in a million years chosen to be an alcoholic, but I am. Trust me, I would give my left nut to able to drink like a normal person. I sat with my good buddies MaTH and BT at dinner one night last week in Tampa, and watched as they both had 2 beers with dinner? 2 Beers?!? are you kidding me? My mind can't grasp the concept of just 2 beers. I have never been able to have "just 2 beers." Once alcohol enters my system, it just craves more and more. It's the way both my mind and body are wired. I quit drinking for 3 months one time after a car accident and thought for sure that I was cured and that I didn't have a problem. I went out one night with some friends and got drunk...and then got drunk again the next night and the night after that, etc...inside of 1 month of starting to drink again, I was shotgunning beers at 10am in the morning at work, just so I would quit shaking and so that I could make it through the day. You really think someone would CHOOSE to live like that? Come on...you're better than that. I could pick up a drink today, and nothing in the world will have changed. My only option is 100% abstention. I will always be an alcoholic, even if I manage to stay sober the rest of my life.

Exactly. Coming, as you know, from another Alcoholic in recovery.

[Merlinsky]

To GPK and 2MinsToPost, best wishes on your continuing recovery.

Given everything that's happened to the Baze family recently and not knowing any of them personally, it's hard to find words to ease the burden of what they're going through now. My thoughts and prayers are with them and Tyler. I hope we see him back and healthy soon or at least as soon as he's able to be.

[my miss storm cat]

I like some of you so much so please don't be offended cause i don't mean anyone here, just in a general sense...I am so sick of it all.

Before anyone wants to tell me I don't understand no - I do. My dad is and was an alchoholic and my sister is currently in hospital number-God-knows what. She will go to rehab, stay sober for a year or so, and it will come full circle and go round and round like it has year after year.

Maybe it's bleeding heart burnout. Who knows.

I really liked Michael Baze so much, I like Tyler and wish him well as I always did with Kieren, PVal, etc.

There comes a point though.

People who get to blame it for everything, just like people who are total **** ups but who blame Mommy and Daddy....

Enough.

Yes it's a disease BUT one that begins with a choice.

I feel sorry for people who horrible random diseases... who never had a say about their death sentence.

Alcoholics, especially the self-absorbed ones who think everyone cares about their daily success in overcoming their gasp sickness?

I wish everyone well but really... we all have things we deal with. You are not the only ones.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

I like some of you so much so please don't be offended cause i don't mean anyone here, just in a general sense...I am so sick of it all.

Before anyone wants to tell me I don't understand no - I do. My dad is and was an alchoholic and my sister is currently in hospital number-God-knows what. She will go to rehab, stay sober for a year or so, and it will come full circle and go round and round like it has year after year.

Maybe it's bleeding heart burnout. Who knows.

I really liked Michael Baze so much, I like Tyler and wish him well as I always did with Kieren, PVal, etc.

There comes a point though.

People who get to blame it for everything, just like people who are total **** ups but who blame Mommy and Daddy....

Enough.

Yes it's a disease BUT one that begins with a choice.

I feel sorry for people who horrible random diseases... who never had a say about their death sentence.

Alcoholics, especially the self-absorbed ones who think everyone cares about their daily success in overcoming their gasp sickness?

I wish everyone well but really... we all have things we deal with. You are not the only ones.

You lost me with this one. I don't understand what you are saying.

[gamblin4ever]

1 drink too many, 2 drinks not enough.

[57rick]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

I like some of you so much so please don't be offended cause i don't mean anyone here, just in a general sense...I am so sick of it all.

Before anyone wants to tell me I don't understand no - I do. My dad is and was an alchoholic and my sister is currently in hospital number-God-knows what. She will go to rehab, stay sober for a year or so, and it will come full circle and go round and round like it has year after year.

Maybe it's bleeding heart burnout. Who knows.

I really liked Michael Baze so much, I like Tyler and wish him well as I always did with Kieren, PVal, etc.

There comes a point though.

People who get to blame it for everything, just like people who are total **** ups but who blame Mommy and Daddy....

Enough.

Yes it's a disease BUT one that begins with a choice.

I feel sorry for people who horrible random diseases... who never had a say about their death sentence.

Alcoholics, especially the self-absorbed ones who think everyone cares about their daily success in overcoming their gasp sickness?

I wish everyone well but really... we all have things we deal with. You are not the only ones.

It does not begin with choice. The alcoholic cannot differentiate between the true & the false. It's a 3 fold illness; mental, physical and spiritual.
An alcoholic has physical allergy to alcohol. Please read the Doctors Opinion in the book Alcoholics Annonomous. I always told myself I was going in the bar for a couple (that's the lie I told myself). Never once had a couple. If I was able to tell myself the truth, I would have thought, I'll go in the bar, have about 12 beers then about 10 gin & tonics and wake up god knows where.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by 57rick

I'll go in the bar, have about 12 beers then about 10 gin & tonics and wake up god knows where.

Whoever is serving you that 22nd drink of the night is doing no one a favor.

[57rick]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Whoever is serving you that 22nd drink of the night is doing no one a favor.

If that bartender shut me off, I'd find someone who would.
Better yet, buy a bottle for myself.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

There comes a point though.

People who get to blame it for everything, just like people who are total **** ups but who blame Mommy and Daddy....

Enough.

Yes it's a disease BUT one that begins with a choice.

I feel sorry for people who horrible random diseases... who never had a say about their death sentence.

Alcoholics, especially the self-absorbed ones who think everyone cares about their daily success in overcoming their gasp sickness?

I wish everyone well but really... we all have things we deal with. You are not the only ones.

I wonder if you're mistaking "self-absorbed ones who think everyone cares about their daily success in overcoming their gasp sickness" with "alcoholics who wish people would stop sh*tting all over them and talking down to them, pretending that just a little bit more willpower here and there would fix everything?"

An awfully surprising and obnoxious post from someone for whom empathy is usually (and from me personally, I'd add 'admirably') such a big deal.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by 57rick

Please read the Doctors Opinion in the book Alcoholics Annonomous.

Oh gee may I? Really?

Oh boy I haven't / wasted enough of my life trying to understand, being supportive, rescuing people from bad places and bringing them to their doctors, rehab, 12 step programs, taking care of their personl stuff or their families cause they were too screwed up...

You seem like a nice person so you probably don't know how patronizing this line sounds.

Originally Posted by 57rick

It does not begin with choice.

... because someone puts a gun to their head IN THE FIRST PLACE and insists they drink.

That's my point, that's what I mean., They choose to drink and keep drinking in the first place. You don't become an alcoholic in a matter of days.

I have tried to keep my mouth shut on this thread and just couldn't any more.

I'm sick and tired of all the alcoholics I know anyway acting like they have some kind of badge that makes it okay for them to be so ****ing self-involved cause believe me if other people need them for any emergency, any medical thing, help in the smallest sense of the word or whatever they are too busy reminding the world that THEY HAVE A DISEASE.

Sorry but it is tiresome and after a while I just want to say go drink yourself to death if that's what you want.

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I wonder if you're mistaking "self-absorbed ones who think everyone cares about their daily success in overcoming their gasp sickness" with "alcoholics who wish people would stop sh*tting all over them and talking down to them, pretending that just a little bit more willpower here and there would fix everything?"

An awfully surprising and obnoxious post from someone for whom empathy is usually (and from me personally, I'd add 'admirably') such a big deal.

Maybe it's just that in my life they have to come first and have for the past decade and the minute anyone else needs a single ounce of decency they are offended because to hell with anyone else... they are the only ones with a problem.