Tyler Baze - put the whiskey down, son

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Sorry Vic...I don't buy it. You want to call them diseases...fine. One disease you have absolutely no control of getting it, the other "disease" you have complete control of getting it. You should be ashamed of grouping them together as similar.

Baze had a huge career in front of him and threw it all away for booze. He's weak...end of story.

Not recognizing alcoholism as a disease is like assuming that the mentally ill just need to "snap out of it."

Defined:

In a 1992 JAMA article, the Joint Committee of the National Council on Alcoholism and Drug Dependence, Inc. (NCADD) and the American Society of Addiction Medicine (ASAM) published this definition for alcoholism:
“Alcoholism is a primary chronic disease with genetic, psychosocial and environmental factors influencing its development and manifestations. The disease is often progressive and fatal. It is characterized by impaired control over drinking, preoccupation with the drug alcohol, use of alcohol despite adverse consequences, and distortions in thinking, mostly denial. Each of these symptoms may be continuous or periodic.”

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

Not recognizing alcoholism as a disease is like assuming that the mentally ill just need to "snap out of it." Defined:

In a 1992 JAMA article, the Joint Committee of the National Council on Alcoholism and Drug Dependence, Inc. (NCADD) and the American Society of Addiction Medicine (ASAM) published this definition for alcoholism:
“Alcoholism is a primary chronic disease with genetic, psychosocial and environmental factors influencing its development and manifestations. The disease is often progressive and fatal. It is characterized by impaired control over drinking, preoccupation with the drug alcohol, use of alcohol despite adverse consequences, and distortions in thinking, mostly denial. Each of these symptoms may be continuous or periodic.”

didn't see the connection when genuine risk said that earlier in the thread, and still don't see it now. because someone has an opinion about one doesn't mean there's a correlation to the other. posting the definition again probably won't change minds either, since everyone had the ability to read further down in that link i posted that shows not even the entire medical community agrees that alcoholism is a disease. if a trained professional disagrees, why are you so shocked that posters here have their own thoughts on the matter?

[pba1817]

Alcoholism is a lifestyle choice, a surroundings choice, and ultimately an access choice.

Example- Take an alcoholic(Josh Hamilton) and move him to Saudi Arabia. Miraculously, he will be immediately "cured".

Now, lets take a cancer patient(Gary Carter) and move him to a country who prohibits cancer....

[GPK]

Originally Posted by pba1817

Alcoholism is a lifestyle choice, a surroundings choice, and ultimately an access choice.

Example- Take an alcoholic(Josh Hamilton) and move him to Saudi Arabia. Miraculously, he will be immediately "cured".

Now, lets take a cancer patient(Gary Carter) and move him to a country who prohibits cancer....

Speaking only from my own experience, alcoholism is not a lifestyle choice. I would have never in a million years chosen to be an alcoholic, but I am. Trust me, I would give my left nut to able to drink like a normal person. I sat with my good buddies MaTH and BT at dinner one night last week in Tampa, and watched as they both had 2 beers with dinner? 2 Beers?!? are you kidding me? My mind can't grasp the concept of just 2 beers. I have never been able to have "just 2 beers." Once alcohol enters my system, it just craves more and more. It's the way both my mind and body are wired. I quit drinking for 3 months one time after a car accident and thought for sure that I was cured and that I didn't have a problem. I went out one night with some friends and got drunk...and then got drunk again the next night and the night after that, etc...inside of 1 month of starting to drink again, I was shotgunning beers at 10am in the morning at work, just so I would quit shaking and so that I could make it through the day. You really think someone would CHOOSE to live like that? Come on...you're better than that. I could pick up a drink today, and nothing in the world will have changed. My only option is 100% abstention. I will always be an alcoholic, even if I manage to stay sober the rest of my life.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GPK

Speaking only from my own experience, alcoholism is not a lifestyle choice. I would have never in a million years chosen to be an alcoholic, but I am. Trust me, I would give my left nut to able to drink like a normal person. I sat with my good buddies MaTH and BT at dinner one night last week in Tampa, and watched as they both had 2 beers with dinner? 2 Beers?!? are you kidding me? My mind can't grasp the concept of just 2 beers. I have never been able to have "just 2 beers." Once alcohol enters my system, it just craves more and more. It's the way both my mind and body are wired. I quit drinking for 3 months one time after a car accident and thought for sure that I was cured and that I didn't have a problem. I went out one night with some friends and got drunk...and then got drunk again the next night and the night after that, etc...inside of 1 month of starting to drink again, I was shotgunning beers at 10am in the morning at work, just so I would quit shaking and so that I could make it through the day. You really think someone would CHOOSE to live like that? Come on...you're better than that. I could pick up a drink today, and nothing in the world will have changed. My only option is 100% abstention. I will always be an alcoholic, even if I manage to stay sober the rest of my life.

i don't think that alcoholism itself is a choice. however, you've chosen to stay away from alcohol-that is where choice comes in. i'm glad you're able to stay away from it, altho i'm sure it's difficult at times.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i don't think that alcoholism itself is a choice. however, you've chosen to stay away from alcohol-that is where choice comes in. i'm glad you're able to stay away from it, altho i'm sure it's difficult at times.

It's very difficult when you're surrounded by deranged drunk degenerates that are yelling "rebuff, rebuff" at a 3-5 shot that Corey Nakatani is riding and we have a $216 show ticket on him.

It can be difficult at times, but the thing that always wins out in the end for me, is that I know Amelia doesn't deserve a drunk for a daddy. I know I would be useless to her as a father, if I was to ever drink again. I have accepted the fact that I can't drink like a normal person, although normal people don't drink normal to me.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Just got a retweet by Simon Bray - unfounded rumor that T Baze is in ICU at a Monrovia area hospital..

[GPK]

I'm bet he's glad he choose to be an alcoholic.

[Danzig]

bloodhorse headline said he fell at home. then, in the body of the article, they said 'after a spill'. never saw a fall at home categorized as a spill before!

[Rileyoriley]

Originally Posted by GPK

Speaking only from my own experience, alcoholism is not a lifestyle choice. I would have never in a million years chosen to be an alcoholic, but I am. Trust me, I would give my left nut to able to drink like a normal person. I sat with my good buddies MaTH and BT at dinner one night last week in Tampa, and watched as they both had 2 beers with dinner? 2 Beers?!? are you kidding me? My mind can't grasp the concept of just 2 beers. I have never been able to have "just 2 beers." Once alcohol enters my system, it just craves more and more. It's the way both my mind and body are wired. I quit drinking for 3 months one time after a car accident and thought for sure that I was cured and that I didn't have a problem. I went out one night with some friends and got drunk...and then got drunk again the next night and the night after that, etc...inside of 1 month of starting to drink again, I was shotgunning beers at 10am in the morning at work, just so I would quit shaking and so that I could make it through the day. You really think someone would CHOOSE to live like that? Come on...you're better than that. I could pick up a drink today, and nothing in the world will have changed. My only option is 100% abstention. I will always be an alcoholic, even if I manage to stay sober the rest of my life.

You WILL manage to stay sober Kev. You have a little girl to take care of now. She needs you.

[2MinsToPost]

Originally Posted by GPK

Speaking only from my own experience, alcoholism is not a lifestyle choice. I would have never in a million years chosen to be an alcoholic, but I am. Trust me, I would give my left nut to able to drink like a normal person. I sat with my good buddies MaTH and BT at dinner one night last week in Tampa, and watched as they both had 2 beers with dinner? 2 Beers?!? are you kidding me? My mind can't grasp the concept of just 2 beers. I have never been able to have "just 2 beers." Once alcohol enters my system, it just craves more and more. It's the way both my mind and body are wired. I quit drinking for 3 months one time after a car accident and thought for sure that I was cured and that I didn't have a problem. I went out one night with some friends and got drunk...and then got drunk again the next night and the night after that, etc...inside of 1 month of starting to drink again, I was shotgunning beers at 10am in the morning at work, just so I would quit shaking and so that I could make it through the day. You really think someone would CHOOSE to live like that? Come on...you're better than that. I could pick up a drink today, and nothing in the world will have changed. My only option is 100% abstention. I will always be an alcoholic, even if I manage to stay sober the rest of my life.

Exactly. Coming, as you know, from another Alcoholic in recovery.

[Merlinsky]

To GPK and 2MinsToPost, best wishes on your continuing recovery.

Given everything that's happened to the Baze family recently and not knowing any of them personally, it's hard to find words to ease the burden of what they're going through now. My thoughts and prayers are with them and Tyler. I hope we see him back and healthy soon or at least as soon as he's able to be.

[my miss storm cat]

I like some of you so much so please don't be offended cause i don't mean anyone here, just in a general sense...I am so sick of it all.

Before anyone wants to tell me I don't understand no - I do. My dad is and was an alchoholic and my sister is currently in hospital number-God-knows what. She will go to rehab, stay sober for a year or so, and it will come full circle and go round and round like it has year after year.

Maybe it's bleeding heart burnout. Who knows.

I really liked Michael Baze so much, I like Tyler and wish him well as I always did with Kieren, PVal, etc.

There comes a point though.

People who get to blame it for everything, just like people who are total **** ups but who blame Mommy and Daddy....

Enough.

Yes it's a disease BUT one that begins with a choice.

I feel sorry for people who horrible random diseases... who never had a say about their death sentence.

Alcoholics, especially the self-absorbed ones who think everyone cares about their daily success in overcoming their gasp sickness?

I wish everyone well but really... we all have things we deal with. You are not the only ones.