Tyler Baze - put the whiskey down, son

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GPK

Speaking only from my own experience, alcoholism is not a lifestyle choice. I would have never in a million years chosen to be an alcoholic, but I am. Trust me, I would give my left nut to able to drink like a normal person. I sat with my good buddies MaTH and BT at dinner one night last week in Tampa, and watched as they both had 2 beers with dinner? 2 Beers?!? are you kidding me? My mind can't grasp the concept of just 2 beers. I have never been able to have "just 2 beers." Once alcohol enters my system, it just craves more and more. It's the way both my mind and body are wired. I quit drinking for 3 months one time after a car accident and thought for sure that I was cured and that I didn't have a problem. I went out one night with some friends and got drunk...and then got drunk again the next night and the night after that, etc...inside of 1 month of starting to drink again, I was shotgunning beers at 10am in the morning at work, just so I would quit shaking and so that I could make it through the day. You really think someone would CHOOSE to live like that? Come on...you're better than that. I could pick up a drink today, and nothing in the world will have changed. My only option is 100% abstention. I will always be an alcoholic, even if I manage to stay sober the rest of my life.

i don't think that alcoholism itself is a choice. however, you've chosen to stay away from alcohol-that is where choice comes in. i'm glad you're able to stay away from it, altho i'm sure it's difficult at times.

[Rileyoriley]

Originally Posted by GPK

Speaking only from my own experience, alcoholism is not a lifestyle choice. I would have never in a million years chosen to be an alcoholic, but I am. Trust me, I would give my left nut to able to drink like a normal person. I sat with my good buddies MaTH and BT at dinner one night last week in Tampa, and watched as they both had 2 beers with dinner? 2 Beers?!? are you kidding me? My mind can't grasp the concept of just 2 beers. I have never been able to have "just 2 beers." Once alcohol enters my system, it just craves more and more. It's the way both my mind and body are wired. I quit drinking for 3 months one time after a car accident and thought for sure that I was cured and that I didn't have a problem. I went out one night with some friends and got drunk...and then got drunk again the next night and the night after that, etc...inside of 1 month of starting to drink again, I was shotgunning beers at 10am in the morning at work, just so I would quit shaking and so that I could make it through the day. You really think someone would CHOOSE to live like that? Come on...you're better than that. I could pick up a drink today, and nothing in the world will have changed. My only option is 100% abstention. I will always be an alcoholic, even if I manage to stay sober the rest of my life.

You WILL manage to stay sober Kev. You have a little girl to take care of now. She needs you.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i don't think that alcoholism itself is a choice. however, you've chosen to stay away from alcohol-that is where choice comes in. i'm glad you're able to stay away from it, altho i'm sure it's difficult at times.

It's very difficult when you're surrounded by deranged drunk degenerates that are yelling "rebuff, rebuff" at a 3-5 shot that Corey Nakatani is riding and we have a $216 show ticket on him.

It can be difficult at times, but the thing that always wins out in the end for me, is that I know Amelia doesn't deserve a drunk for a daddy. I know I would be useless to her as a father, if I was to ever drink again. I have accepted the fact that I can't drink like a normal person, although normal people don't drink normal to me.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Just got a retweet by Simon Bray - unfounded rumor that T Baze is in ICU at a Monrovia area hospital..

[banter]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Just got a retweet by Simon Bray - unfounded rumor that T Baze is in ICU at a Monrovia area hospital..

Omg, why?

Sad news indeed.

Jamie Kisely had the original tweet.

http://twitter.com/#!/JamieKisely

Then The Knight Sky tweeted about it. Followed by BoBike1 who was re-tweeted by Simon Bray. Confirmed by jballs

[jballscalls]

I'm friends with many northwest Baze family members and they were all asking for prayers last night and said he was hospitalized. Hopefully he can get past this and beat his demons.

[Left Bank]

Why is he in ICU?
What happened?

[Rudeboyelvis]

Update:

http://www.drf.com/news/tyler-baze-e...-rehab-shortly

[Danzig]

hope he uses this as impetus to seek recovery-for his wife, his family, but mostly for himself.
he's lucky he made it thru this most recent episode. a co-workers 40 year old son sadly did not. his funeral was yesterday.

[GPK]

I'm bet he's glad he choose to be an alcoholic.

[Danzig]

bloodhorse headline said he fell at home. then, in the body of the article, they said 'after a spill'. never saw a fall at home categorized as a spill before!

[2MinsToPost]

Originally Posted by GPK

Speaking only from my own experience, alcoholism is not a lifestyle choice. I would have never in a million years chosen to be an alcoholic, but I am. Trust me, I would give my left nut to able to drink like a normal person. I sat with my good buddies MaTH and BT at dinner one night last week in Tampa, and watched as they both had 2 beers with dinner? 2 Beers?!? are you kidding me? My mind can't grasp the concept of just 2 beers. I have never been able to have "just 2 beers." Once alcohol enters my system, it just craves more and more. It's the way both my mind and body are wired. I quit drinking for 3 months one time after a car accident and thought for sure that I was cured and that I didn't have a problem. I went out one night with some friends and got drunk...and then got drunk again the next night and the night after that, etc...inside of 1 month of starting to drink again, I was shotgunning beers at 10am in the morning at work, just so I would quit shaking and so that I could make it through the day. You really think someone would CHOOSE to live like that? Come on...you're better than that. I could pick up a drink today, and nothing in the world will have changed. My only option is 100% abstention. I will always be an alcoholic, even if I manage to stay sober the rest of my life.

Exactly. Coming, as you know, from another Alcoholic in recovery.

[Merlinsky]

To GPK and 2MinsToPost, best wishes on your continuing recovery.

Given everything that's happened to the Baze family recently and not knowing any of them personally, it's hard to find words to ease the burden of what they're going through now. My thoughts and prayers are with them and Tyler. I hope we see him back and healthy soon or at least as soon as he's able to be.

[my miss storm cat]

I like some of you so much so please don't be offended cause i don't mean anyone here, just in a general sense...I am so sick of it all.

Before anyone wants to tell me I don't understand no - I do. My dad is and was an alchoholic and my sister is currently in hospital number-God-knows what. She will go to rehab, stay sober for a year or so, and it will come full circle and go round and round like it has year after year.

Maybe it's bleeding heart burnout. Who knows.

I really liked Michael Baze so much, I like Tyler and wish him well as I always did with Kieren, PVal, etc.

There comes a point though.

People who get to blame it for everything, just like people who are total **** ups but who blame Mommy and Daddy....

Enough.

Yes it's a disease BUT one that begins with a choice.

I feel sorry for people who horrible random diseases... who never had a say about their death sentence.

Alcoholics, especially the self-absorbed ones who think everyone cares about their daily success in overcoming their gasp sickness?

I wish everyone well but really... we all have things we deal with. You are not the only ones.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

I like some of you so much so please don't be offended cause i don't mean anyone here, just in a general sense...I am so sick of it all.

Before anyone wants to tell me I don't understand no - I do. My dad is and was an alchoholic and my sister is currently in hospital number-God-knows what. She will go to rehab, stay sober for a year or so, and it will come full circle and go round and round like it has year after year.

Maybe it's bleeding heart burnout. Who knows.

I really liked Michael Baze so much, I like Tyler and wish him well as I always did with Kieren, PVal, etc.

There comes a point though.

People who get to blame it for everything, just like people who are total **** ups but who blame Mommy and Daddy....

Enough.

Yes it's a disease BUT one that begins with a choice.

I feel sorry for people who horrible random diseases... who never had a say about their death sentence.

Alcoholics, especially the self-absorbed ones who think everyone cares about their daily success in overcoming their gasp sickness?

I wish everyone well but really... we all have things we deal with. You are not the only ones.

You lost me with this one. I don't understand what you are saying.

[gamblin4ever]

1 drink too many, 2 drinks not enough.

[57rick]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

I like some of you so much so please don't be offended cause i don't mean anyone here, just in a general sense...I am so sick of it all.

Before anyone wants to tell me I don't understand no - I do. My dad is and was an alchoholic and my sister is currently in hospital number-God-knows what. She will go to rehab, stay sober for a year or so, and it will come full circle and go round and round like it has year after year.

Maybe it's bleeding heart burnout. Who knows.

I really liked Michael Baze so much, I like Tyler and wish him well as I always did with Kieren, PVal, etc.

There comes a point though.

People who get to blame it for everything, just like people who are total **** ups but who blame Mommy and Daddy....

Enough.

Yes it's a disease BUT one that begins with a choice.

I feel sorry for people who horrible random diseases... who never had a say about their death sentence.

Alcoholics, especially the self-absorbed ones who think everyone cares about their daily success in overcoming their gasp sickness?

I wish everyone well but really... we all have things we deal with. You are not the only ones.

It does not begin with choice. The alcoholic cannot differentiate between the true & the false. It's a 3 fold illness; mental, physical and spiritual.
An alcoholic has physical allergy to alcohol. Please read the Doctors Opinion in the book Alcoholics Annonomous. I always told myself I was going in the bar for a couple (that's the lie I told myself). Never once had a couple. If I was able to tell myself the truth, I would have thought, I'll go in the bar, have about 12 beers then about 10 gin & tonics and wake up god knows where.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by 57rick

I'll go in the bar, have about 12 beers then about 10 gin & tonics and wake up god knows where.

Whoever is serving you that 22nd drink of the night is doing no one a favor.

[57rick]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Whoever is serving you that 22nd drink of the night is doing no one a favor.

If that bartender shut me off, I'd find someone who would.
Better yet, buy a bottle for myself.