US comes up way short in health care again

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Originally Posted by dellinger63

Good to tell you whoever wrote that was full of BS.

Using the Department of Labor numbers for last month, the unemployment rate among those 16-24 is 18.4%. No numbers were given for 18-29 but unless those between 25-29 are experiencing unemployment numbers in the 80-90% range, the 55% rate is laughable. Let me take a wild guess and predict the author had a agenda or you simply made it up!

No, I read yesterday that it was 55%. That's why I, you know, said, "I read that ... ". You posted figures that say it's 18.4% for half the group I was talking about. Good, I accept that figure. Thanks for the update.

The point I was making was that, with unemployment at ... 18.4% for those age 18-24 (we'll use your figures, they are great) ... the GOP House under Boehner has passed no jobs help for us, no extension of unemployment benefits, no help for foreclosed homes - but has passed 7 anti-abortion, woman's rights removing bills! Like anti-abortion crap is what we are concerned about now, when 1 in 5 young people can't even find a job to start their careers!

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

the GOP House under Boehner has passed no jobs help for us, no extension of unemployment benefits, no help for foreclosed homes - but has passed 7 anti-abortion, woman's rights removing bills! Like anti-abortion crap is what we are concerned about now, when 1 in 5 young people can't even find a job to start their careers!

And while that was going on Obama gave a half billion dollars to a company he was warned was in trouble, a half billion to a electric car company producing a car it will try to sell for 90K, with its factory in FINLAND and another 700 billion to a solar company that is half owned by the Chinese.

Once Obama is out of office and this Obamacare nonsense is put to rest, Congress and the new President will have plenty of ideas for jobs and instead of spending like a maniac they will do things like sign permits for businesses to drill, producing not only jobs, but our own oil and coal. Change regulations now placed on US businesses to be more in line with the rest of the world. Because I think we can agree, and has been stated by Obama, it is rest of the world we are in competition with. It makes no sense to give the competition anything much more taxpayer money.

Real hope and change is coming.

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Originally Posted by dellinger63

And while that was going on Obama gave a half billion dollars to a company he was warned was in trouble, a half billion to a electric car company producing a car it will try to sell for 90K, with its factory in FINLAND and another 700 billion to a solar company that is half owned by the Chinese.

No, "Obama" didn't personally do that, nor personally approve that. Solyndra started during the Bush administration, and was passed up through normal "non-political" channels after meeting requirements.

Solyndra, however, now appears to have lied to the government on their application.

Once Obama is out of office and this Obamacare nonsense is put to rest, Congress and the new President will have plenty of ideas for jobs and instead of spending like a maniac

Well, the House is in overwelmingly Republican hands, and they are responsible for originating all spending bills. And the minority GOP controls the filibuster in the Senate. Don't you think they should do something now? And have "plenty of ideas about jobs" now, when we need it? During the middle of economic disaster? Instead of worrying about passing seven anti-abortion bills? Or waiting for "the next President"?

Oh - your glorious GOP in the Senate just voted down a jobs bill for teachers & firemen in the past 2 days. Why are you not angry at them?

Who do you think is going to be the next President?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Oh - your glorious GOP in the Senate just voted down a jobs bill for teachers & firemen in the past 2 days. Why are you not angry at them? ?

That is far from a job producer and in fact with the pensions and healthcare benifits paid to these people, all out of public funds, it's something we can't afford. Besides individual communities should be responsible for funding their respective police and fire and States for education.

Originally Posted by Riot

Who do you think is going to be the next President?

Not a clue other than it won't be Obama, Paul, Bachmann, Huntsman or Santorum. I also think Newt has little chance unless he beats up G.W. Bush on live TV.

BTW did you see the sidewalks to no where they are building in Detroit?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

That is far from a job producer and in fact with the pensions and healthcare benifits paid to these people, all out of public funds, it's something we can't afford.

Wrong. All it does is "produce jobs". It would prevent the firing of, or rehire, thousands of police, firefighters and teachers (400,000), and it is 100% paid for within the bill.

And that financing approved by 62% of the public.

Besides individual communities should be responsible for funding their respective police and fire and States for education.

That's an awful high horse you're on. Don't fall off. You're standing on concrete.

Let's see: actual jobs bill on the desks of Congress bad, but some imaginary politician that Dell will elect next year, out of none of the current candidates running (oh, wait, maybe President Romney), will magically buckle down and create jobs.

Dell's Magic Jobs Fairy. Love it.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

It would prevent the firing of, or rehire, thousands of police, firefighters and teachers, and it is 100% paid for within the bill.

Until the 'bill' gets a job or starts a business and pays taxes it's paid for by the taxpayer, actually it will be paid for by the taxpayer around ten years from now with interest added.

As far as teachers are concerned let's try firing the bottom 10% and replacing them. This not only should raise test scores and the quality of education but will limit the exposure the taxpayer will have paying the bottom of the barrel teachers' pensions.

Bottom line is the government should do nothing but stay out of the way of the private sector and allow it to create jobs. Rewarding failure with bailouts should never have been done.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Until the 'bill' gets a job or starts a business and pays taxes it's paid for by the taxpayer, actually it will be paid for by the taxpayer around ten years from now with interest added.

Seriously - when you are obviously completely clueless as to how the bill is financed, try not talking about it. It makes you look ridiculously ignorant. 62% of American approve of how that bill is paid for. Republicans vote it down at their own faint re-election hopes peril.

Dell, you are why Occupy Wall Street exists. You should proud, buddy.