US comes up way short in health care again

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i doubt it happens. too much money invested in the insurance industry, too many like what they have, too many lobbyists, etc etc. people dont like change. they dont want higher taxes, and i dont know if the tax would be similar to current costs. too much fraud and waste...

Insurance companies can hang around, sell their own policies if they want (and can find anyone to buy them), sell supplemental policies, end-of-life policies, etc.

Why we, as a country, should continue to have one of the worse health care systems of first world countries justified by continuing to throw cash at private corporations and their lobbyists is absurd.

I think they've determined that if the entire nation was on Medicare, the savings would be astronomical (negotiated costs) and the taxes, spread across all those healthy people, would be very low.

"People don't like change" - no, they don't. But they are also uneducated as to the issues and taught to be scared and fearful. That's why our country is on the verge of disaster. Look what happened during the health care debate, the sheer volume of lies and nonsensical accusations. We are not debating policy, we are debating crazy lies and weirdness.

Americans better suck it up, and start getting educated about this country of theirs, and who, exactly, they are electing to the government, rather than staying ignorant and lazy - this democracy is already a plutocracy, and if they don't turn it around, there is zero future for most.

I read yesterday that 55% of people between the ages of 18 and 29 are unemployed. Holy eff.

And what has our House passed for us, to help us, since January? Seven anti-abortion, abortion-rights restriction bills.

You get what you vote for. And we're in deep shiat.

“Well, Doctor, what have we got—a Republic or a Monarchy?”

“A Republic, if you can keep it.”

ATTRIBUTION: The response is attributed to BENJAMIN FRANKLIN—at the close of the Constitutional Convention of 1787, when queried as he left Independence Hall on the final day of deliberation—in the notes of Dr. James McHenry, one of Maryland’s delegates to the Convention.

Occupy Wall Street, Occupy The Voting Booth ... your first chance is in a couple weeks

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

Insurance companies can hang around, sell their own policies if they want (and can find anyone to buy them), sell supplemental policies, end-of-life policies, etc.

Why we, as a country, should continue to have one of the worse health care systems of first world countries justified by continuing to throw cash at private corporations and their lobbyists is absurd.

I think they've determined that if the entire nation was on Medicare, the savings would be astronomical (negotiated costs) and the taxes, spread across all those healthy people, would be very low.

"People don't like change" - no, they don't. But they are also uneducated as to the issues and taught to be scared and fearful. That's why our country is on the verge of disaster. Look what happened during the health care debate, the sheer volume of lies and nonsensical accusations. We are not debating policy, we are debating crazy lies and weirdness.

Americans better suck it up, and start getting educated about this country of theirs, and who, exactly, they are electing to the government, rather than staying ignorant and lazy - this democracy is already a plutocracy, and if they don't turn it around, there is zero future for most.

I read yesterday that 55% of people between the ages of 18 and 29 are unemployed. Holy eff.

And what has our House passed for us, to help us, since January? Seven anti-abortion, abortion-rights restriction bills.

You get what you vote for. And we're in deep shiat.



Occupy Wall Street, Occupy The Voting Booth ... your first chance is in a couple weeks

now, that is true. between pols running based on 'the terrorists are coming' or 'pass the jobs bill or get raped or murdered', there's always some sort of fear-mongering involved. kids and old people are always on the chopping block.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

now, that is true. between pols running based on 'the terrorists are coming' or 'pass the jobs bill or get raped or murdered', there's always some sort of fear-mongering involved. kids and old people are always on the chopping block.

"Death panels"
"People will stand in line to get health care!"
"Obama will determine what treatment your grandma gets".

It's so much bullshiat, but I blame people for choosing to be sheep and believing that tripe. It's easier to be told what to think, than to think for oneself.

Democracy is participatory, and we've had the luxury of not having to pay attention for some time. Whoops - we blew it. While we were not looking, our government was stolen from us over the past 70 years, and is now wholly owned by K Street.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

"Death panels"
"People will stand in line to get health care!"
"Obama will determine what treatment your grandma gets".

It's so much bullshiat, but I blame people for choosing to be sheep and believing that tripe. It's easier to be told what to think, than to think for oneself.

Democracy is participatory, and we've had the luxury of not having to pay attention for some time. Whoops - we blew it. While we were not looking, our government was stolen from us over the past 70 years, and is now wholly owned by K Street.

it's biden who mentioned the raping and murdering btw, twice now. it's amazing to read how g/s went down, and see that most pols fell for that, hook line and sinker-regardless of party. just another example of them both being in too deep. it's why whatever party is in charge is the scapegoat for all that ails, the other gets the votes-but things get no better.
we need term limits in congress. they need to get over thinking they are some sort of house of lords, knowing what's 'best' for us peasants.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

it's biden who mentioned the raping and murdering btw, twice now. it's amazing to read how g/s went down, and see that most pols fell for that, hook line and sinker-regardless of party. just another example of them both being in too deep. it's why whatever party is in charge is the scapegoat for all that ails, the other gets the votes-but things get no better.
we need term limits in congress. they need to get over thinking they are some sort of house of lords, knowing what's 'best' for us peasants.

I don't want term limits. If there are good people in there - Bernie Sanders comes to mind - let them stay.

I want a Constitutional amendment prohibiting politicians from accepting money during elections. The Supreme Court opened that wide up with Citizens United. There is a "28th Amendment" movement that just started (they probably have a web page): No corporations can contribute anything to any candidate, any one person can contribute only $100 once, all campaigns publicly funded.

[Danzig]

i want term limits so that congress isn't in constant re-election mode. people will be more willing to make tough decisions if they don't have the party leaders in their ears, warning them about losing seats come november.
there are other good people that can take a good persons seat. it applies to the president, i see no reason that it can't apply to senators and the house.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i want term limits so that congress isn't in constant re-election mode. people will be more willing to make tough decisions if they don't have the party leaders in their ears, warning them about losing seats come november.
there are other good people that can take a good persons seat. it applies to the president, i see no reason that it can't apply to senators and the house.

If we eliminate corporations being able to secretly throw unlimited funds into purchasing politicians, as Citizens United allowed (like other big boy countries) I think we'd end alot of that (like other big boy countries).

Go to the source of the trouble, don't just treat a symptom.

It's sad most US citizens don't even realize that Boehner changed the House rules, so that they only work 2 weeks out of 3 for us. But hey! No jobs bills, no foreclosure help, no unemployment benefit extensions, but the House has sent 7 anti-abortion, anti-women's rights bills to the Senate. They have the American people's backs, workin' for us ... because taking away abortion rights is the number one thing on most American's minds right now.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

I read yesterday that 55% of people between the ages of 18 and 29 are unemployed. Holy eff.

Good to tell you whoever wrote that was full of BS.

Using the Department of Labor numbers for last month, the unemployment rate among those 16-24 is 18.4%. No numbers were given for 18-29 but unless those between 25-29 are experiencing unemployment numbers in the 80-90% range, the 55% rate is laughable. Let me take a wild guess and predict the author had a agenda or you simply made it up!

[Danzig]

dell, you are obviously not getting your info from the correct places. if you read the right articles and info, your opinion would be different.

my gosh!

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

dell, you are obviously not getting your info from the correct places. if you read the right articles and info, your opinion would be different.

my gosh!

Maybe she got confused and was quoting Afghan unemployment stats? Or she was doing her Al Gore impersonation?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Maybe she got confused and was quoting Afghan unemployment stats? Or she was doing her Al Gore impersonation?

maybe they are counting all the 18-29 year olds who are in college or grad school?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Good to tell you whoever wrote that was full of BS.

Using the Department of Labor numbers for last month, the unemployment rate among those 16-24 is 18.4%. No numbers were given for 18-29 but unless those between 25-29 are experiencing unemployment numbers in the 80-90% range, the 55% rate is laughable. Let me take a wild guess and predict the author had a agenda or you simply made it up!

No, I read yesterday that it was 55%. That's why I, you know, said, "I read that ... ". You posted figures that say it's 18.4% for half the group I was talking about. Good, I accept that figure. Thanks for the update.

The point I was making was that, with unemployment at ... 18.4% for those age 18-24 (we'll use your figures, they are great) ... the GOP House under Boehner has passed no jobs help for us, no extension of unemployment benefits, no help for foreclosed homes - but has passed 7 anti-abortion, woman's rights removing bills! Like anti-abortion crap is what we are concerned about now, when 1 in 5 young people can't even find a job to start their careers!

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

the GOP House under Boehner has passed no jobs help for us, no extension of unemployment benefits, no help for foreclosed homes - but has passed 7 anti-abortion, woman's rights removing bills! Like anti-abortion crap is what we are concerned about now, when 1 in 5 young people can't even find a job to start their careers!

And while that was going on Obama gave a half billion dollars to a company he was warned was in trouble, a half billion to a electric car company producing a car it will try to sell for 90K, with its factory in FINLAND and another 700 billion to a solar company that is half owned by the Chinese.

Once Obama is out of office and this Obamacare nonsense is put to rest, Congress and the new President will have plenty of ideas for jobs and instead of spending like a maniac they will do things like sign permits for businesses to drill, producing not only jobs, but our own oil and coal. Change regulations now placed on US businesses to be more in line with the rest of the world. Because I think we can agree, and has been stated by Obama, it is rest of the world we are in competition with. It makes no sense to give the competition anything much more taxpayer money.

Real hope and change is coming.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

And while that was going on Obama gave a half billion dollars to a company he was warned was in trouble, a half billion to a electric car company producing a car it will try to sell for 90K, with its factory in FINLAND and another 700 billion to a solar company that is half owned by the Chinese.

No, "Obama" didn't personally do that, nor personally approve that. Solyndra started during the Bush administration, and was passed up through normal "non-political" channels after meeting requirements.

Solyndra, however, now appears to have lied to the government on their application.

Once Obama is out of office and this Obamacare nonsense is put to rest, Congress and the new President will have plenty of ideas for jobs and instead of spending like a maniac

Well, the House is in overwelmingly Republican hands, and they are responsible for originating all spending bills. And the minority GOP controls the filibuster in the Senate. Don't you think they should do something now? And have "plenty of ideas about jobs" now, when we need it? During the middle of economic disaster? Instead of worrying about passing seven anti-abortion bills? Or waiting for "the next President"?

Oh - your glorious GOP in the Senate just voted down a jobs bill for teachers & firemen in the past 2 days. Why are you not angry at them?

Who do you think is going to be the next President?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Oh - your glorious GOP in the Senate just voted down a jobs bill for teachers & firemen in the past 2 days. Why are you not angry at them? ?

That is far from a job producer and in fact with the pensions and healthcare benifits paid to these people, all out of public funds, it's something we can't afford. Besides individual communities should be responsible for funding their respective police and fire and States for education.

Originally Posted by Riot

Who do you think is going to be the next President?

Not a clue other than it won't be Obama, Paul, Bachmann, Huntsman or Santorum. I also think Newt has little chance unless he beats up G.W. Bush on live TV.

BTW did you see the sidewalks to no where they are building in Detroit?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

That is far from a job producer and in fact with the pensions and healthcare benifits paid to these people, all out of public funds, it's something we can't afford.

Wrong. All it does is "produce jobs". It would prevent the firing of, or rehire, thousands of police, firefighters and teachers (400,000), and it is 100% paid for within the bill.

And that financing approved by 62% of the public.

Besides individual communities should be responsible for funding their respective police and fire and States for education.

That's an awful high horse you're on. Don't fall off. You're standing on concrete.

Let's see: actual jobs bill on the desks of Congress bad, but some imaginary politician that Dell will elect next year, out of none of the current candidates running (oh, wait, maybe President Romney), will magically buckle down and create jobs.

Dell's Magic Jobs Fairy. Love it.