US comes up way short in health care again

[Danzig]

we have seen astronomical rises in medical costs, yet we're no healthier as a result.

truly, the only way to ensure care for all is to tax everyone, and cover them thru a govt agency.

[Clip-Clop]

Best thing I think I have ever seen.

Preventable death...

yeah.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

we have seen astronomical rises in medical costs, yet we're no healthier as a result.

truly, the only way to ensure care for all is to tax everyone, and cover them thru a govt agency.

I agree. Single payer, Medicare for all. You retain complete control over your private hospitals and doctor choices, it's simply that the insurance is the same for everyone, and every citizen is insured.

I'm so angry Obama took that off the table three years ago, but the ignorance and opposition was great at the time. But only going for correcting the more odorous practices of the insurance companies (kicking sick kids off due to lifetime caps, rescission, etc) helped some, and will hep more when all provisions are on-line, but didn't get all the uninsured Americans covered by private health insurance.

Think of the cost savings with single payer. Everybody getting preventive care? No delaying seeing doctors because you don't have the $100 for an uninsured office visit? Yikes. We would be a far healthier nation, at far less cost.

If we got the right House and Senate, we could have single-payer healthcare passed within 4 years.

[Danzig]

i doubt it happens. too much money invested in the insurance industry, too many like what they have, too many lobbyists, etc etc. people dont like change. they dont want higher taxes, and i dont know if the tax would be similar to current costs. too much fraud and waste...

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i doubt it happens. too much money invested in the insurance industry, too many like what they have, too many lobbyists, etc etc. people dont like change. they dont want higher taxes, and i dont know if the tax would be similar to current costs. too much fraud and waste...

Insurance companies can hang around, sell their own policies if they want (and can find anyone to buy them), sell supplemental policies, end-of-life policies, etc.

Why we, as a country, should continue to have one of the worse health care systems of first world countries justified by continuing to throw cash at private corporations and their lobbyists is absurd.

I think they've determined that if the entire nation was on Medicare, the savings would be astronomical (negotiated costs) and the taxes, spread across all those healthy people, would be very low.

"People don't like change" - no, they don't. But they are also uneducated as to the issues and taught to be scared and fearful. That's why our country is on the verge of disaster. Look what happened during the health care debate, the sheer volume of lies and nonsensical accusations. We are not debating policy, we are debating crazy lies and weirdness.

Americans better suck it up, and start getting educated about this country of theirs, and who, exactly, they are electing to the government, rather than staying ignorant and lazy - this democracy is already a plutocracy, and if they don't turn it around, there is zero future for most.

I read yesterday that 55% of people between the ages of 18 and 29 are unemployed. Holy eff.

And what has our House passed for us, to help us, since January? Seven anti-abortion, abortion-rights restriction bills.

You get what you vote for. And we're in deep shiat.

“Well, Doctor, what have we got—a Republic or a Monarchy?”

“A Republic, if you can keep it.”

ATTRIBUTION: The response is attributed to BENJAMIN FRANKLIN—at the close of the Constitutional Convention of 1787, when queried as he left Independence Hall on the final day of deliberation—in the notes of Dr. James McHenry, one of Maryland’s delegates to the Convention.

Occupy Wall Street, Occupy The Voting Booth ... your first chance is in a couple weeks

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

Insurance companies can hang around, sell their own policies if they want (and can find anyone to buy them), sell supplemental policies, end-of-life policies, etc.

Why we, as a country, should continue to have one of the worse health care systems of first world countries justified by continuing to throw cash at private corporations and their lobbyists is absurd.

I think they've determined that if the entire nation was on Medicare, the savings would be astronomical (negotiated costs) and the taxes, spread across all those healthy people, would be very low.

"People don't like change" - no, they don't. But they are also uneducated as to the issues and taught to be scared and fearful. That's why our country is on the verge of disaster. Look what happened during the health care debate, the sheer volume of lies and nonsensical accusations. We are not debating policy, we are debating crazy lies and weirdness.

Americans better suck it up, and start getting educated about this country of theirs, and who, exactly, they are electing to the government, rather than staying ignorant and lazy - this democracy is already a plutocracy, and if they don't turn it around, there is zero future for most.

I read yesterday that 55% of people between the ages of 18 and 29 are unemployed. Holy eff.

And what has our House passed for us, to help us, since January? Seven anti-abortion, abortion-rights restriction bills.

You get what you vote for. And we're in deep shiat.



Occupy Wall Street, Occupy The Voting Booth ... your first chance is in a couple weeks

now, that is true. between pols running based on 'the terrorists are coming' or 'pass the jobs bill or get raped or murdered', there's always some sort of fear-mongering involved. kids and old people are always on the chopping block.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

now, that is true. between pols running based on 'the terrorists are coming' or 'pass the jobs bill or get raped or murdered', there's always some sort of fear-mongering involved. kids and old people are always on the chopping block.

"Death panels"
"People will stand in line to get health care!"
"Obama will determine what treatment your grandma gets".

It's so much bullshiat, but I blame people for choosing to be sheep and believing that tripe. It's easier to be told what to think, than to think for oneself.

Democracy is participatory, and we've had the luxury of not having to pay attention for some time. Whoops - we blew it. While we were not looking, our government was stolen from us over the past 70 years, and is now wholly owned by K Street.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

"Death panels"
"People will stand in line to get health care!"
"Obama will determine what treatment your grandma gets".

It's so much bullshiat, but I blame people for choosing to be sheep and believing that tripe. It's easier to be told what to think, than to think for oneself.

Democracy is participatory, and we've had the luxury of not having to pay attention for some time. Whoops - we blew it. While we were not looking, our government was stolen from us over the past 70 years, and is now wholly owned by K Street.

it's biden who mentioned the raping and murdering btw, twice now. it's amazing to read how g/s went down, and see that most pols fell for that, hook line and sinker-regardless of party. just another example of them both being in too deep. it's why whatever party is in charge is the scapegoat for all that ails, the other gets the votes-but things get no better.
we need term limits in congress. they need to get over thinking they are some sort of house of lords, knowing what's 'best' for us peasants.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

I read yesterday that 55% of people between the ages of 18 and 29 are unemployed. Holy eff.

Good to tell you whoever wrote that was full of BS.

Using the Department of Labor numbers for last month, the unemployment rate among those 16-24 is 18.4%. No numbers were given for 18-29 but unless those between 25-29 are experiencing unemployment numbers in the 80-90% range, the 55% rate is laughable. Let me take a wild guess and predict the author had a agenda or you simply made it up!

[Danzig]

dell, you are obviously not getting your info from the correct places. if you read the right articles and info, your opinion would be different.

my gosh!

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

dell, you are obviously not getting your info from the correct places. if you read the right articles and info, your opinion would be different.

my gosh!

Maybe she got confused and was quoting Afghan unemployment stats? Or she was doing her Al Gore impersonation?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Good to tell you whoever wrote that was full of BS.

Using the Department of Labor numbers for last month, the unemployment rate among those 16-24 is 18.4%. No numbers were given for 18-29 but unless those between 25-29 are experiencing unemployment numbers in the 80-90% range, the 55% rate is laughable. Let me take a wild guess and predict the author had a agenda or you simply made it up!

No, I read yesterday that it was 55%. That's why I, you know, said, "I read that ... ". You posted figures that say it's 18.4% for half the group I was talking about. Good, I accept that figure. Thanks for the update.

The point I was making was that, with unemployment at ... 18.4% for those age 18-24 (we'll use your figures, they are great) ... the GOP House under Boehner has passed no jobs help for us, no extension of unemployment benefits, no help for foreclosed homes - but has passed 7 anti-abortion, woman's rights removing bills! Like anti-abortion crap is what we are concerned about now, when 1 in 5 young people can't even find a job to start their careers!

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

the GOP House under Boehner has passed no jobs help for us, no extension of unemployment benefits, no help for foreclosed homes - but has passed 7 anti-abortion, woman's rights removing bills! Like anti-abortion crap is what we are concerned about now, when 1 in 5 young people can't even find a job to start their careers!

And while that was going on Obama gave a half billion dollars to a company he was warned was in trouble, a half billion to a electric car company producing a car it will try to sell for 90K, with its factory in FINLAND and another 700 billion to a solar company that is half owned by the Chinese.

Once Obama is out of office and this Obamacare nonsense is put to rest, Congress and the new President will have plenty of ideas for jobs and instead of spending like a maniac they will do things like sign permits for businesses to drill, producing not only jobs, but our own oil and coal. Change regulations now placed on US businesses to be more in line with the rest of the world. Because I think we can agree, and has been stated by Obama, it is rest of the world we are in competition with. It makes no sense to give the competition anything much more taxpayer money.

Real hope and change is coming.