US comes up way short in health care again

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

Insurance companies can hang around, sell their own policies if they want (and can find anyone to buy them), sell supplemental policies, end-of-life policies, etc.

Why we, as a country, should continue to have one of the worse health care systems of first world countries justified by continuing to throw cash at private corporations and their lobbyists is absurd.

I think they've determined that if the entire nation was on Medicare, the savings would be astronomical (negotiated costs) and the taxes, spread across all those healthy people, would be very low.

"People don't like change" - no, they don't. But they are also uneducated as to the issues and taught to be scared and fearful. That's why our country is on the verge of disaster. Look what happened during the health care debate, the sheer volume of lies and nonsensical accusations. We are not debating policy, we are debating crazy lies and weirdness.

Americans better suck it up, and start getting educated about this country of theirs, and who, exactly, they are electing to the government, rather than staying ignorant and lazy - this democracy is already a plutocracy, and if they don't turn it around, there is zero future for most.

I read yesterday that 55% of people between the ages of 18 and 29 are unemployed. Holy eff.

And what has our House passed for us, to help us, since January? Seven anti-abortion, abortion-rights restriction bills.

You get what you vote for. And we're in deep shiat.



Occupy Wall Street, Occupy The Voting Booth ... your first chance is in a couple weeks

now, that is true. between pols running based on 'the terrorists are coming' or 'pass the jobs bill or get raped or murdered', there's always some sort of fear-mongering involved. kids and old people are always on the chopping block.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

now, that is true. between pols running based on 'the terrorists are coming' or 'pass the jobs bill or get raped or murdered', there's always some sort of fear-mongering involved. kids and old people are always on the chopping block.

"Death panels"
"People will stand in line to get health care!"
"Obama will determine what treatment your grandma gets".

It's so much bullshiat, but I blame people for choosing to be sheep and believing that tripe. It's easier to be told what to think, than to think for oneself.

Democracy is participatory, and we've had the luxury of not having to pay attention for some time. Whoops - we blew it. While we were not looking, our government was stolen from us over the past 70 years, and is now wholly owned by K Street.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

"Death panels"
"People will stand in line to get health care!"
"Obama will determine what treatment your grandma gets".

It's so much bullshiat, but I blame people for choosing to be sheep and believing that tripe. It's easier to be told what to think, than to think for oneself.

Democracy is participatory, and we've had the luxury of not having to pay attention for some time. Whoops - we blew it. While we were not looking, our government was stolen from us over the past 70 years, and is now wholly owned by K Street.

it's biden who mentioned the raping and murdering btw, twice now. it's amazing to read how g/s went down, and see that most pols fell for that, hook line and sinker-regardless of party. just another example of them both being in too deep. it's why whatever party is in charge is the scapegoat for all that ails, the other gets the votes-but things get no better.
we need term limits in congress. they need to get over thinking they are some sort of house of lords, knowing what's 'best' for us peasants.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

it's biden who mentioned the raping and murdering btw, twice now. it's amazing to read how g/s went down, and see that most pols fell for that, hook line and sinker-regardless of party. just another example of them both being in too deep. it's why whatever party is in charge is the scapegoat for all that ails, the other gets the votes-but things get no better.
we need term limits in congress. they need to get over thinking they are some sort of house of lords, knowing what's 'best' for us peasants.

I don't want term limits. If there are good people in there - Bernie Sanders comes to mind - let them stay.

I want a Constitutional amendment prohibiting politicians from accepting money during elections. The Supreme Court opened that wide up with Citizens United. There is a "28th Amendment" movement that just started (they probably have a web page): No corporations can contribute anything to any candidate, any one person can contribute only $100 once, all campaigns publicly funded.

[Danzig]

i want term limits so that congress isn't in constant re-election mode. people will be more willing to make tough decisions if they don't have the party leaders in their ears, warning them about losing seats come november.
there are other good people that can take a good persons seat. it applies to the president, i see no reason that it can't apply to senators and the house.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i want term limits so that congress isn't in constant re-election mode. people will be more willing to make tough decisions if they don't have the party leaders in their ears, warning them about losing seats come november.
there are other good people that can take a good persons seat. it applies to the president, i see no reason that it can't apply to senators and the house.

If we eliminate corporations being able to secretly throw unlimited funds into purchasing politicians, as Citizens United allowed (like other big boy countries) I think we'd end alot of that (like other big boy countries).

Go to the source of the trouble, don't just treat a symptom.

It's sad most US citizens don't even realize that Boehner changed the House rules, so that they only work 2 weeks out of 3 for us. But hey! No jobs bills, no foreclosure help, no unemployment benefit extensions, but the House has sent 7 anti-abortion, anti-women's rights bills to the Senate. They have the American people's backs, workin' for us ... because taking away abortion rights is the number one thing on most American's minds right now.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

If we eliminate corporations being able to secretly throw unlimited funds into purchasing politicians, as Citizens United allowed (like other big boy countries) I think we'd end alot of that (like other big boy countries).

Go to the source of the trouble, don't just treat a symptom.

It's sad most US citizens don't even realize that Boehner changed the House rules, so that they only work 2 weeks out of 3 for us. But hey! No jobs bills, no foreclosure help, no unemployment benefit extensions, but the House has sent 7 anti-abortion, anti-women's rights bills to the Senate. They have the American people's backs, workin' for us ... because taking away abortion rights is the number one thing on most American's minds right now.

re-election mode hasn't got anything to do with corporations. the party will support, or turn against, a politician depending on how much he follows party lines. if he goes rogue too much, like lieberman, the party withdraws its support and throws in with someone they feel will toe the line better. it's how they make their people 'behave'. they get seats, they want to keep them, and remain in power...so pols are 'urged' to walk the walk and talk the talk. you scratch my back, i'll scratch yours, we give you funding and support. just don't rock the boat. bi-partisanship gets lip service, but it all comes down to pr and votes.