Standard and Poor's downgrades US to AA+

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

If your chosen profession is no longer available you adapt. I am not saying that everyone should or can work in construction or a field. I am saying that people need to get off their high horses about the job that is good enough for them and suck it up. I can guarantee if I needed the work and were willing to sacrifice enough to work at McDonald's, I am coming away with that job and I am going to impress and show up and collect my pay after working hard for the week. It comes down to motivation and a willingness to do something "beneath" you in order to survive. Not waiting around for someone else to take care of you. More people needed to grow up poor, this way they would be better equipped to handle it when it happened to them.

You live in a dream world of ignorance as to what real people are going through out there. When there are 1000 people showing up at the local McDonalds for 3 jobs, there's a jobs problem. Not a 'lazy American who won't adapt" problem.

Open your local newspaper - where are the literally thousands of jobs available, just sitting there begging to be filled, by the millions of currently unemployed workers who won't "adapt"? They don't exist.

This is real easy: count the current jobs available in the country - for anything. Count the current number of unemployed. Which is five times bigger?

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

You live in a dream world of ignorance as to what real people are going through out there. When there are 1000 people showing up at the local McDonalds for 3 jobs, there's a jobs problem. Not a 'lazy American who won't adapt" problem.

Open your local newspaper - where are the literally thousands of jobs available, just sitting there begging to be filled, by the millions of currently unemployed workers who won't "adapt"? They don't exist.

The newspaper? You are in a dream world where the government creates jobs for people, see how that works out.
I am going to quit this discourse too. As I am ill equipped to imagine being something I am not I cannot really debate this argument as I could not the last one. I have work for anyone willing to try something new, work your ass off, travel A LOT and create for yourself. PM me. Though it is likely if you fit that mold, someone already has you.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

The newspaper? You are in a dream world where the government creates jobs for people, see how that works out.

No. I'm in the real world, asking you where are all these jobs you say exist. All these thousands and thousands of jobs the private job creators have, just sitting empty and unfilled, because the record number of unemployed "won't adapt".

You say they are there - where are they? I'm sure the hundreds of unemployed at the local office would welcome your direction to them.

And BTW, the "government creating jobs" worked okay for FDR, didn't it? You know, that "Great Depression" that made our parents so tough and instilled all that work ethic into us?

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

No. I'm in the real world, asking you where are all these jobs you say exist. All these thousands and thousands of jobs the private job creators have, just sitting empty and unfilled, because the record number of unemployed "won't adapt".

You say they are there - where are they? I'm sure the hundreds of unemployed at the local office would welcome your direction to them.

And BTW, the "government creating jobs" worked okay for FDR, didn't it? You know, that "Great Depression" that made our parents so tough and instilled all that work ethic into us?

Grandparents for me actually. FDR was dealing with a completely different economic scenario and breed of American than we have today. The sense of entitlement that has imprinted itself on the psyche of the modern resident of this country is absolutely embarrassing.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Grandparents for me actually. FDR was dealing with a completely different economic scenario and breed of American than we have today. The sense of entitlement that has imprinted itself on the psyche of the modern resident of this country is absolutely embarrassing.

The difference is they knew when the economy turned around the jobs would come back... We don't have that today.. Too many people for far too few jobs. London is our future and it will happen sooner rather than later.

[jms62]

Market just shat itself again/

[Riot]

Originally Posted by jms62

Market just shat itself again/

Don't forget they all shorted, and were profit-taking last few days, too.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by jms62

The difference is they knew when the economy turned around the jobs would come back... We don't have that today.. Too many people for far too few jobs. London is our future and it will happen sooner rather than later.

I am with you on the too many people and the likely hood of London type behaviors finding their way around. What is it that makes you think that jobs will never return? You seem like a reasonable person and I am actually curious and happy to hear and debate your opinions.
Also what would be your plan for creation of jobs?
It has to fall on the private sector one way or another, no?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Grandparents for me actually. FDR was dealing with a completely different economic scenario and breed of American than we have today. The sense of entitlement that has imprinted itself on the psyche of the modern resident of this country is absolutely embarrassing.

Yes, it extends to the very richest of our nation wanting to live in this great country, while trying to get very single penny they can out of the economy, and screw anyone else. Especially the poor, the have nots, the hungery.

The rich are having a very bad time ... they have hoarded most of the money in the economy, 1.2 Trillion dollars. That means there is no money left for the other 90% to purchase their goods and services.

Of course, if your job is to make money by gambling (Wall Street) which way the country goes doesn't matter, as you can make as much money in the destruction of an empire as you can during the creation.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes, it extends to the very richest of our nation wanting to live in this great country, while trying to get very single penny they can out of the economy, and screw anyone else. Especially the poor, the have nots, the hungery.

The rich are having a very bad time ... they have hoarded most of the money in the economy, 1.2 Trillion dollars. That means there is no money left for the other 90% to purchase their goods and services.

Of course, if your job is to make money by gambling (Wall Street) which way the country goes doesn't matter, as you can make as much money in the destruction of an empire as you can during the creation.

I made no distinction about who has this sense.
I am glad to know you are doing as much to help the poor and indigent in this country. I am certain you are volunteering your time and money to help.
Or does that responsibility fall on the "wealthy" too?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

I made no distinction about who has this sense.
I am glad to know you are doing as much to help the poor and indigent in this country. I am certain you are volunteering your time and money to help.
Or does that responsibility fall on the "wealthy" too?

Do you work in commercial construction or houses/apartments? I'd guess commercial. If not, I'd like to know where private housing is thriving in multiple states right now.

See, here's the agreement in our country, according to our founding fathers, and our Constitution and Bill of Rights: we all contribute to our common society, through taxes, to our common national welfare. And even if we don't like something ... wars, or welfare ... the deal is that you have a say through the ballot box, but when you are on the losing side, you still have to do it. So everyone in this country has a responsibility to contribute. The first contribution is being an informed voter.