Standard and Poor's downgrades US to AA+

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

That's what plenty of people are trying to do right now. I have people begging me to hire them for this or that odd jobs. There is a recession: there is no construction, there is no plumbing, there is nobody with money to hire you to cut their lawn, there is nobody to hire you to pick crops in the drought of Texas.

It's absolutely absurd, to think that all the current unemployed - far over the baseline number of "always unemployed" that exists around 4% - are unemployed only by choice and sheer laziness.

That is completely disconnected with reality. God help this country with thoughts like that.

There is construction, if there weren't I would not be paying taxes. I see plenty of people that are most definitely not my neighbors mowing lawns and trimming hedges while driving trucks that say "O'Brien's Landscaping" on the side, not one looks Irish. I am still eating vegatables from the farms that surround my home and ones from California, Florida, North Carolina, etc. Someone is picking these. Texas is irrelevant and should be left out of most conversations involving the rest of the country, they are fine, just ask them. I am imagining your work does not take you around the country to 20-30 states per year and twice as many cities and towns, as I recall you are a veterinarian, but I can assure you that homes are being built and they are being built (mostly) by hard working, non-tax paying, undocumented workers.
Not accusing laziness, just complacency. Easy to confuse the two.

[jms62]

"There is construction, if there weren't I would not be paying taxes."

Please elaborate on the above and also are you are suggesting that someone that was laid off with a College education should compete to be a migrant worker?

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by jms62

"There is construction, if there weren't I would not be paying taxes."

Please elaborate on the above and also are you are suggesting that someone that was laid off with a College education should compete to be a migrant worker?

Very good.

Apparently it does mean that, as the simplistic ways all the social programs are handled - contributors are not to get anything more than the non-contributors. The fact that one has an education is irrelevant.

"From each according to his abilities; to each according to his needs" is their mantra.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Very good.

Apparently it does mean that, as the simplistic ways all the social programs are handled - contributors are not to get anything more than the non-contributors. The fact that one has an education is irrelevant.

"From each according to his abilities; to each according to his needs" is their mantra.

What a complete bunch of mixed up hogwash. There isn't even a cogent point in there.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by jms62

"There is construction, if there weren't I would not be paying taxes."

Please elaborate on the above and also are you are suggesting that someone that was laid off with a College education should compete to be a migrant worker?

Not to press a point, but the Farm Laborer's Union had a "Take My Job!" campaign two years ago. Massive failure. No interest.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by jms62

"There is construction, if there weren't I would not be paying taxes."

Please elaborate on the above and also are you are suggesting that someone that was laid off with a College education should compete to be a migrant worker?

I work in construction, that is how I make my money. After college when there were no jobs for college graduates I learned how to work in other ways, crazy I know. And yes I am suggesting exactly that. A college degree is only as useful as the one holding onto it, no? College has become something of a joke in this country, just an extension of dependency for many. Most would be better off skipping it and trying to learn something else.
I actually forgot to mention kitchen work too, did plenty of that to pay the bills.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

I work in construction, that is how I make my money.

Why are you supporting the use of illegal undocumented workers on construction sites?

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

Why are you supporting the use of illegal undocumented workers on construction sites?

I do not, I abhor it frankly. I do see it though nearly daily. And I cut my own lawn and trim my own hedges. My employees are all Americans, overpaid, but Americans. Can't have that hanging over my head when I decide to run for office.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

I do not, I abhor it frankly. I do see it though nearly daily. And I cut my own lawn and trim my own hedges. My employees are all Americans, overpaid, but Americans. Can't have that hanging over my head when I decide to run for office.

If your employees are overpaid, I suggest they have a poor businessman as a boss. And you might stop ignoring illegals working on your projects and taking jobs from Americans. Rather than just, "abhoring, it, frankly" on internet lists.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Riot

Why are you supporting the use of illegal undocumented workers on construction sites?

No habla Espanol

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

I work in construction, that is how I make my money. After college when there were no jobs for college graduates I learned how to work in other ways, crazy I know. And yes I am suggesting exactly that. A college degree is only as useful as the one holding onto it, no? College has become something of a joke in this country, just an extension of dependency for many. Most would be better off skipping it and trying to learn something else.
I actually forgot to mention kitchen work too, did plenty of that to pay the bills.

So what does that have to do with an unemployed IT worker, or an unemployed accountant, or an unemployed nurse, or an unemployed teacher?

You think they all should be construction workers? Or migrant workers?

There are plenty of people trying to get new careers, but there are no jobs. Try to apply at your local McDonalds, and see how many are competing for that position.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

So what does that have to do with an unemployed IT worker, or an unemployed accountant, or an unemployed nurse, or an unemployed teacher?

You think they all should be construction workers? Or migrant workers?

There are plenty of people trying to get new careers, but there are no jobs. Try to apply at your local McDonalds, and see how many are competing for that position.

If your chosen profession is no longer available you adapt. I am not saying that everyone should or can work in construction or a field. I am saying that people need to get off their high horses about the job that is good enough for them and suck it up. I can guarantee if I needed the work and were willing to sacrifice enough to work at McDonald's, I am coming away with that job and I am going to impress and show up and collect my pay after working hard for the week. It comes down to motivation and a willingness to do something "beneath" you in order to survive. Not waiting around for someone else to take care of you. More people needed to grow up poor, this way they would be better equipped to handle it when it happened to them.

Yeah the stiff upper lip nonsense that was passed on to some of us. Accept globalism and work harder for less and in the perfect Utopia you'll move up and be successful.

Too bad they raised the takeout 60%.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Yeah the stiff upper lip nonsense that was passed on to some of us. Accept globalism and work harder for less and in the perfect Utopia you'll move up and be successful.

Too bad they raised the takeout 60%.

Alternative?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Yeah the stiff upper lip nonsense that was passed on to some of us. Accept globalism and work harder for less and in the perfect Utopia you'll move up and be successful.

Too bad they raised the takeout 60%.

Exactly.

Real wages have stagnated for 40 years. The income gap has widened. There is no growing, consumer-driven middle class any more (what kept this country afloat). The game has changed. Permanently.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

If your chosen profession is no longer available you adapt. I am not saying that everyone should or can work in construction or a field. I am saying that people need to get off their high horses about the job that is good enough for them and suck it up. I can guarantee if I needed the work and were willing to sacrifice enough to work at McDonald's, I am coming away with that job and I am going to impress and show up and collect my pay after working hard for the week. It comes down to motivation and a willingness to do something "beneath" you in order to survive. Not waiting around for someone else to take care of you. More people needed to grow up poor, this way they would be better equipped to handle it when it happened to them.

You live in a dream world of ignorance as to what real people are going through out there. When there are 1000 people showing up at the local McDonalds for 3 jobs, there's a jobs problem. Not a 'lazy American who won't adapt" problem.

Open your local newspaper - where are the literally thousands of jobs available, just sitting there begging to be filled, by the millions of currently unemployed workers who won't "adapt"? They don't exist.

This is real easy: count the current jobs available in the country - for anything. Count the current number of unemployed. Which is five times bigger?

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

You live in a dream world of ignorance as to what real people are going through out there. When there are 1000 people showing up at the local McDonalds for 3 jobs, there's a jobs problem. Not a 'lazy American who won't adapt" problem.

Open your local newspaper - where are the literally thousands of jobs available, just sitting there begging to be filled, by the millions of currently unemployed workers who won't "adapt"? They don't exist.

The newspaper? You are in a dream world where the government creates jobs for people, see how that works out.
I am going to quit this discourse too. As I am ill equipped to imagine being something I am not I cannot really debate this argument as I could not the last one. I have work for anyone willing to try something new, work your ass off, travel A LOT and create for yourself. PM me. Though it is likely if you fit that mold, someone already has you.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

If your chosen profession is no longer available you adapt. I am not saying that everyone should or can work in construction or a field. I am saying that people need to get off their high horses about the job that is good enough for them and suck it up. I can guarantee if I needed the work and were willing to sacrifice enough to work at McDonald's, I am coming away with that job and I am going to impress and show up and collect my pay after working hard for the week. It comes down to motivation and a willingness to do something "beneath" you in order to survive. Not waiting around for someone else to take care of you. More people needed to grow up poor, this way they would be better equipped to handle it when it happened to them.

personal responsibility. nobody wants that.

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

personal responsibility. nobody wants that.

The bank executives sure the f.uck don't and have no repercussions for their actions.

Are you saying these people should have different rules? Wake up.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

I work in construction, that is how I make my money. After college when there were no jobs for college graduates I learned how to work in other ways, crazy I know. And yes I am suggesting exactly that. A college degree is only as useful as the one holding onto it, no? College has become something of a joke in this country, just an extension of dependency for many. Most would be better off skipping it and trying to learn something else.
I actually forgot to mention kitchen work too, did plenty of that to pay the bills.

And did you have to support a family of 4 and a 4K mortgage while doing this work?