Standard and Poor's downgrades US to AA+

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

I work in construction, that is how I make my money. After college when there were no jobs for college graduates I learned how to work in other ways, crazy I know. And yes I am suggesting exactly that. A college degree is only as useful as the one holding onto it, no? College has become something of a joke in this country, just an extension of dependency for many. Most would be better off skipping it and trying to learn something else.
I actually forgot to mention kitchen work too, did plenty of that to pay the bills.

And did you have to support a family of 4 and a 4K mortgage while doing this work?

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

So what does that have to do with an unemployed IT worker, or an unemployed accountant, or an unemployed nurse, or an unemployed teacher?

You think they all should be construction workers? Or migrant workers?

There are plenty of people trying to get new careers, but there are no jobs. Try to apply at your local McDonalds, and see how many are competing for that position.

If your chosen profession is no longer available you adapt. I am not saying that everyone should or can work in construction or a field. I am saying that people need to get off their high horses about the job that is good enough for them and suck it up. I can guarantee if I needed the work and were willing to sacrifice enough to work at McDonald's, I am coming away with that job and I am going to impress and show up and collect my pay after working hard for the week. It comes down to motivation and a willingness to do something "beneath" you in order to survive. Not waiting around for someone else to take care of you. More people needed to grow up poor, this way they would be better equipped to handle it when it happened to them.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by jms62

And did you have to support a family of 4 and a 4K mortgage while doing this work?

No on the family, yes on the mortgage, though I knew better than to tie myself to a mortgage of 4K (it was 2700 though I lived in NJ so my 7K a year in property taxes made up most of the difference). 5 days a week of labor and 4 nights a week in kitchens actually pays pretty well believe it or not. Got to come home to my degrees every night too.

Yeah the stiff upper lip nonsense that was passed on to some of us. Accept globalism and work harder for less and in the perfect Utopia you'll move up and be successful.

Too bad they raised the takeout 60%.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Yeah the stiff upper lip nonsense that was passed on to some of us. Accept globalism and work harder for less and in the perfect Utopia you'll move up and be successful.

Too bad they raised the takeout 60%.

Alternative?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

If your chosen profession is no longer available you adapt. I am not saying that everyone should or can work in construction or a field. I am saying that people need to get off their high horses about the job that is good enough for them and suck it up. I can guarantee if I needed the work and were willing to sacrifice enough to work at McDonald's, I am coming away with that job and I am going to impress and show up and collect my pay after working hard for the week. It comes down to motivation and a willingness to do something "beneath" you in order to survive. Not waiting around for someone else to take care of you. More people needed to grow up poor, this way they would be better equipped to handle it when it happened to them.

You live in a dream world of ignorance as to what real people are going through out there. When there are 1000 people showing up at the local McDonalds for 3 jobs, there's a jobs problem. Not a 'lazy American who won't adapt" problem.

Open your local newspaper - where are the literally thousands of jobs available, just sitting there begging to be filled, by the millions of currently unemployed workers who won't "adapt"? They don't exist.

This is real easy: count the current jobs available in the country - for anything. Count the current number of unemployed. Which is five times bigger?

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Alternative?

Join the military or uhhhh thug life.

Me? I'm diversified and somewhat prepared. Working on cardio and strength because I'm going to need it once the s.hit hits the fan and the unprepared go primal.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Alternative?

Lower the taxes on the Rich and Corps because they are the "Job Creators"

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by jms62

Lower the taxes on the Rich and Corps because they are the "Job Creators"

As the quote goes, "I've never gotten a job from a poor person."

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

You live in a dream world of ignorance as to what real people are going through out there. When there are 1000 people showing up at the local McDonalds for 3 jobs, there's a jobs problem. Not a 'lazy American who won't adapt" problem.

Open your local newspaper - where are the literally thousands of jobs available, just sitting there begging to be filled, by the millions of currently unemployed workers who won't "adapt"? They don't exist.

The newspaper? You are in a dream world where the government creates jobs for people, see how that works out.
I am going to quit this discourse too. As I am ill equipped to imagine being something I am not I cannot really debate this argument as I could not the last one. I have work for anyone willing to try something new, work your ass off, travel A LOT and create for yourself. PM me. Though it is likely if you fit that mold, someone already has you.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by jms62

Lower the taxes on the Rich and Corps because they are the "Job Creators"

Corps do not PAY taxes, they collect them. Come on.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Yeah the stiff upper lip nonsense that was passed on to some of us. Accept globalism and work harder for less and in the perfect Utopia you'll move up and be successful.

Too bad they raised the takeout 60%.

Exactly.

Real wages have stagnated for 40 years. The income gap has widened. There is no growing, consumer-driven middle class any more (what kept this country afloat). The game has changed. Permanently.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Join the military or uhhhh thug life.

Me? I'm diversified and somewhat prepared. Working on cardio and strength because I'm going to need it once the s.hit hits the fan and the unprepared go primal.

Sounds like prep for the zombies to me, good on you.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Sounds like prep for the zombies to me, good on you.

Lock and load!

Are you waiting for the Bumbling Bernanke Bonanza? Here come the pain.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Are you waiting for the Bumbling Bernanke Bonanza? Here come the pain.

That guy is a joke too.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Lock and load!

Yeah Joey.. I'm sure you have the balls to pull the trigger when push comes to shove and the money to defend yourself in court if the MAN decides you used too much force.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by jms62

Yeah Joey.. I'm sure you have the balls to pull the trigger when push comes to shove and the money to defend yourself in court if the MAN decides you used too much force.

No, I'll just sit there and let them kill me.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Are you waiting for the Bumbling Bernanke Bonanza? Here come the pain.

Fed sues Goldman Sachs over sale of Mortgage Bonds to Credit Unions

[jms62]

Originally Posted by joeydb

No, I'll just sit there and let them kill me.

Good luck with that because the world which you want (no Welfare, self directed SS) you may get plenty of chances to pull the trigger as those ill prepared as Coach would say "Go Primal".

Now who is going to pay for the increased Police presence and jails in your Utopia?