Standard and Poor's downgrades US to AA+

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

I work in construction, that is how I make my money. After college when there were no jobs for college graduates I learned how to work in other ways, crazy I know. And yes I am suggesting exactly that. A college degree is only as useful as the one holding onto it, no? College has become something of a joke in this country, just an extension of dependency for many. Most would be better off skipping it and trying to learn something else.
I actually forgot to mention kitchen work too, did plenty of that to pay the bills.

So what does that have to do with an unemployed IT worker, or an unemployed accountant, or an unemployed nurse, or an unemployed teacher?

You think they all should be construction workers? Or migrant workers?

There are plenty of people trying to get new careers, but there are no jobs. Try to apply at your local McDonalds, and see how many are competing for that position.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

So what does that have to do with an unemployed IT worker, or an unemployed accountant, or an unemployed nurse, or an unemployed teacher?

You think they all should be construction workers? Or migrant workers?

There are plenty of people trying to get new careers, but there are no jobs. Try to apply at your local McDonalds, and see how many are competing for that position.

If your chosen profession is no longer available you adapt. I am not saying that everyone should or can work in construction or a field. I am saying that people need to get off their high horses about the job that is good enough for them and suck it up. I can guarantee if I needed the work and were willing to sacrifice enough to work at McDonald's, I am coming away with that job and I am going to impress and show up and collect my pay after working hard for the week. It comes down to motivation and a willingness to do something "beneath" you in order to survive. Not waiting around for someone else to take care of you. More people needed to grow up poor, this way they would be better equipped to handle it when it happened to them.

Yeah the stiff upper lip nonsense that was passed on to some of us. Accept globalism and work harder for less and in the perfect Utopia you'll move up and be successful.

Too bad they raised the takeout 60%.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Yeah the stiff upper lip nonsense that was passed on to some of us. Accept globalism and work harder for less and in the perfect Utopia you'll move up and be successful.

Too bad they raised the takeout 60%.

Alternative?

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Alternative?

Join the military or uhhhh thug life.

Me? I'm diversified and somewhat prepared. Working on cardio and strength because I'm going to need it once the s.hit hits the fan and the unprepared go primal.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Join the military or uhhhh thug life.

Me? I'm diversified and somewhat prepared. Working on cardio and strength because I'm going to need it once the s.hit hits the fan and the unprepared go primal.

Sounds like prep for the zombies to me, good on you.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Sounds like prep for the zombies to me, good on you.

Lock and load!

Are you waiting for the Bumbling Bernanke Bonanza? Here come the pain.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Join the military or uhhhh thug life.

Me? I'm diversified and somewhat prepared. Working on cardio and strength because I'm going to need it once the s.hit hits the fan and the unprepared go primal.

Just make sure you have a current passport. You might want to leave for a few years.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Alternative?

Lower the taxes on the Rich and Corps because they are the "Job Creators"

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by jms62

Lower the taxes on the Rich and Corps because they are the "Job Creators"

As the quote goes, "I've never gotten a job from a poor person."

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

As the quote goes, "I've never gotten a job from a poor person."

Guess what? The rich have taken them overseas. So you won't get one from a rich person, either.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by jms62

Lower the taxes on the Rich and Corps because they are the "Job Creators"

Corps do not PAY taxes, they collect them. Come on.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Yeah the stiff upper lip nonsense that was passed on to some of us. Accept globalism and work harder for less and in the perfect Utopia you'll move up and be successful.

Too bad they raised the takeout 60%.

Exactly.

Real wages have stagnated for 40 years. The income gap has widened. There is no growing, consumer-driven middle class any more (what kept this country afloat). The game has changed. Permanently.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

If your chosen profession is no longer available you adapt. I am not saying that everyone should or can work in construction or a field. I am saying that people need to get off their high horses about the job that is good enough for them and suck it up. I can guarantee if I needed the work and were willing to sacrifice enough to work at McDonald's, I am coming away with that job and I am going to impress and show up and collect my pay after working hard for the week. It comes down to motivation and a willingness to do something "beneath" you in order to survive. Not waiting around for someone else to take care of you. More people needed to grow up poor, this way they would be better equipped to handle it when it happened to them.

You live in a dream world of ignorance as to what real people are going through out there. When there are 1000 people showing up at the local McDonalds for 3 jobs, there's a jobs problem. Not a 'lazy American who won't adapt" problem.

Open your local newspaper - where are the literally thousands of jobs available, just sitting there begging to be filled, by the millions of currently unemployed workers who won't "adapt"? They don't exist.

This is real easy: count the current jobs available in the country - for anything. Count the current number of unemployed. Which is five times bigger?

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

You live in a dream world of ignorance as to what real people are going through out there. When there are 1000 people showing up at the local McDonalds for 3 jobs, there's a jobs problem. Not a 'lazy American who won't adapt" problem.

Open your local newspaper - where are the literally thousands of jobs available, just sitting there begging to be filled, by the millions of currently unemployed workers who won't "adapt"? They don't exist.

The newspaper? You are in a dream world where the government creates jobs for people, see how that works out.
I am going to quit this discourse too. As I am ill equipped to imagine being something I am not I cannot really debate this argument as I could not the last one. I have work for anyone willing to try something new, work your ass off, travel A LOT and create for yourself. PM me. Though it is likely if you fit that mold, someone already has you.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

The newspaper? You are in a dream world where the government creates jobs for people, see how that works out.

No. I'm in the real world, asking you where are all these jobs you say exist. All these thousands and thousands of jobs the private job creators have, just sitting empty and unfilled, because the record number of unemployed "won't adapt".

You say they are there - where are they? I'm sure the hundreds of unemployed at the local office would welcome your direction to them.

And BTW, the "government creating jobs" worked okay for FDR, didn't it? You know, that "Great Depression" that made our parents so tough and instilled all that work ethic into us?

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

No. I'm in the real world, asking you where are all these jobs you say exist. All these thousands and thousands of jobs the private job creators have, just sitting empty and unfilled, because the record number of unemployed "won't adapt".

You say they are there - where are they? I'm sure the hundreds of unemployed at the local office would welcome your direction to them.

And BTW, the "government creating jobs" worked okay for FDR, didn't it? You know, that "Great Depression" that made our parents so tough and instilled all that work ethic into us?

Grandparents for me actually. FDR was dealing with a completely different economic scenario and breed of American than we have today. The sense of entitlement that has imprinted itself on the psyche of the modern resident of this country is absolutely embarrassing.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Grandparents for me actually. FDR was dealing with a completely different economic scenario and breed of American than we have today. The sense of entitlement that has imprinted itself on the psyche of the modern resident of this country is absolutely embarrassing.

The difference is they knew when the economy turned around the jobs would come back... We don't have that today.. Too many people for far too few jobs. London is our future and it will happen sooner rather than later.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Grandparents for me actually. FDR was dealing with a completely different economic scenario and breed of American than we have today. The sense of entitlement that has imprinted itself on the psyche of the modern resident of this country is absolutely embarrassing.

Yes, it extends to the very richest of our nation wanting to live in this great country, while trying to get very single penny they can out of the economy, and screw anyone else. Especially the poor, the have nots, the hungery.

The rich are having a very bad time ... they have hoarded most of the money in the economy, 1.2 Trillion dollars. That means there is no money left for the other 90% to purchase their goods and services.

Of course, if your job is to make money by gambling (Wall Street) which way the country goes doesn't matter, as you can make as much money in the destruction of an empire as you can during the creation.