Standard and Poor's downgrades US to AA+

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

do you really think we would not have been downgraded had the congress just raised the debt ceiling two months ago and done nothing else (spending cuts)?

You must not be listening to S&P.

Wrong. I read their press release. You should, too, rather than listen to Faux News interpretations.

We were downgraded because of politics. We were downgraded as the debt ceiling was not routinely raised two months ago, as it has been 79 times before, and the Tea Party (although S & P named the Republicans) obstructed our political process so much that S & P had to jerk the GOP leash with the fake insult of the downgrade.

The debt ceiling raise is our promise to continue to pay bills we have already incurred - the Tea Party threatened we would not do that, that we would not pay back the money we'd already borrowed. The Tea Party put the full faith and credit of the United States hostage for their ridiculous political theatre. The Tea Party said not paying back our creditors and bills literally didn't matter, that there would be no consequence. What idiots! And that - the political theatre - is what caused S & P to downgrade us.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

Wrong. I read their press release. You should, too, rather than listen to Faux News interpretations.

We were downgraded because of politics. We were downgraded as the debt ceiling was not routinely raised two months ago, as it has been 79 times before, and the Tea Party (although S & P named the Republicans) obstructed our political process so much that S & P had to jerk the GOP leash with the fake insult of the downgrade.

The debt ceiling raise is our promise to continue to pay bills we have already incurred - the Tea Party threatened we would not do that, that we would not pay back the money we'd already borrowed. The Tea Party put the full faith and credit of the United States hostage for their ridiculous political theatre. The Tea Party said not paying back our creditors and bills literally didn't matter, that there would be no consequence. What idiots! And that - the political theatre - is what caused S & P to downgrade us.

you're and idiot with that Faux News interpretation crap. I barely watch fox.

your interpretation of why we were downgraded is only about 15% correct. You ignore the main factors.

this is a pointless debate. your opinion isnt going to change.. and you wont be changing the opinion of the 95% of people who disagree with you on this.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

you're and idiot with that Faux News interpretation crap. I barely watch fox.

your interpretation of why we were downgraded is only about 15% correct. You ignore the main factors.

No, I am going from the S & P press release. We were downgraded due to political intransigence. Who did that? The Tea Party. S & P's even blamed the GOP. Why don't you google it and read it?

You're right - facts don't matter to some folks, when forming their opinions.

[jms62]

So much time spent affixing blame and so little time on fixing the problem by congress. So much arguing on this thread that not many of you realize that you are getting DP'd.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by jms62

So much time spent affixing blame and so little time on fixing the problem by congress. So much arguing on this thread that not many of you realize that you are getting DP'd.

Oh, no, we've been getting it for the past 12 years, and nobody (including the Dems) are actively doing anything about it. And yes, Clinton started plenty of deregulation.

This congress won't do crap. They are already the second-most do nothing congress in our recent history. A political party publicly stating that their elected legislative duties are only to make sure the President of the United States fails? While this country and it's citizens need help? Eric Cantor just this past weekend saying joblessness is the most important thing, but no, he sees no reason at all to extend jobless benefits? Zero jobs bills presented by the House since they were elected? Zero? Nothing except deliberately removing societal safety backups for those in poverty or unemployed? Harming the very citizens that elected them?

Un-effing-believable.

I'm not a Democratic, but anybody saying that the two current incarnations of our political parties are the same, no difference, isn't very objective.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

Oh, no, we've been getting it for the past 12 years, and nobody (including the Dems) are actively doing anything about it. And yes, Clinton started plenty of deregulation.

This congress won't do crap. They are already the second-most do nothing congress in our recent history. A political party publicly stating that their elected legislative duties are only to make sure the President of the United States fails? While this country and it's citizens need help? Eric Cantor just this past weekend saying joblessness is the most important thing, but no, he sees no reason at all to extend jobless benefits? Zero jobs bills presented by the House since they were elected? Zero? Nothing except deliberately removing societal safety backups for those in poverty or unemployed? Harming the very citizens that elected them?

Un-effing-believable.

I'm not a Democratic, but anybody saying that the two current incarnations of our political parties are the same, no difference, isn't very objective.

Stop paying people not to work and they will find jobs. Go compete for work with the illegals. I used to.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Stop paying people not to work and they will find jobs.

What a ridiculous bunch of false nonsense. There are 5-10 people for every job opening. Unemployment is 9.2, but higher considering those that have stopped looking.

And you think that all these people are purposely staying unemployed?

Jeebus, help this country.