Black Caviar at Royal Ascot Saturday AM

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I mentioned King Glorious was pretty damn fast. I didn't mention him with the best sprinters ever. My feeling is that he probably would have been one but his record doesn't support it. Neither does Housebuster's.

One of the problems I'm having with your reasoning is that you seem to hold Housebuster to a special standard, while the other horses you mentioned get a free pass.

Housebuster's stakes record at 6f: 3 for 4
Lost In The Fog: 5 for 8
Artax: 2 for 7

There doesn't appear to be many committed 6f horses in the upper echelons of racing. At least not nowadays.

Recent Sprint Champions:

Amazombie: 3 for 5
Big Drama: 4 for 6
Kodiak Kowboy: 2 for 5
Benny The Bull: 6 for 11
Midnight Lute: 2 for 2
Speightstown: 3 for 5
Aldebaran: 0 for 1
Orientate: 3 for 3
Squirtle Squirt: 2 for 3
Kona Gold: 6 for 17
Lit de Justice: 3 for 4
Cherokee Run: 2 for 4

I guess if we use 6f as the true gold standard, then the debate is between Xtra Heat and Soviet Problem.

[Port Conway Lane]

Where would a horse who won 17 stakes, setting or equaling six track records and winning 35 of 76 starts in a nine-year campaign, earning $1,079,915 fit into the equation ?

[Calzone Lord]

Bold Ruler obviously was a great sprinter.

He was 13-12-1-0 lifetime in sprints. He failed miserably in his first several attempts routing, but ultimately developed to where he could carry his speed further.

A case could be made that this horse...



produced both the greatest male sprinter and greatest female sprinter of all-time.

Aspidistra is the dam of two-time champion male sprinter Dr. Fager and the dam of two-time champion female sprinter Ta Wee.

Dr. Fager was voted champion sprinter in 1967 and 1968. Ta Wee was voted champion sprinter over the males in 1969 and 1970. Between the two horses, Aspidistra was the dam of the champion sprinter four years in a row...she was also risked for a $4,500 claiming tag.

[Arletta]

Make it stop.

[Calzone Lord]

Sorry, I can't help with vaginal discharge

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by Arletta

Make it stop.

Make what stop?

This is some of the best racing discussion this board has seen in months.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Bold Ruler obviously was a great sprinter.

He was 13-12-1-0 lifetime in sprints. He failed miserably in his first several attempts routing, but ultimately developed to where he could carry his speed further.

A case could be made that this horse...



produced both the greatest male sprinter and greatest female sprinter of all-time.

Aspidistra is the dam of two-time champion male sprinter Dr. Fager and the dam of two-time champion female sprinter Ta Wee.

Dr. Fager was voted champion sprinter in 1967 and 1968. Ta Wee was voted champion sprinter over the males in 1969 and 1970. Between the two horses, Aspidistra was the dam of the champion sprinter four years in a row...she was also risked for a $4,500 claiming tag.

Which leaves me with the burning question, was Aspidistra named after the radio transmitter or the houseplant?

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Bold Ruler obviously was a great sprinter.

He was 13-12-1-0 lifetime in sprints. He failed miserably in his first several attempts routing, but ultimately developed to where he could carry his speed further.

A case could be made that this horse...



produced both the greatest male sprinter and greatest female sprinter of all-time.

Aspidistra is the dam of two-time champion male sprinter Dr. Fager and the dam of two-time champion female sprinter Ta Wee.

Dr. Fager was voted champion sprinter in 1967 and 1968. Ta Wee was voted champion sprinter over the males in 1969 and 1970. Between the two horses, Aspidistra was the dam of the champion sprinter four years in a row...she was also risked for a $4,500 claiming tag.

You know, looking back at some of the Eclipse Award winning sprinters in the 50s, 60s, and 70s, it sure didn't take much to win one.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

You know, looking back at some of the Eclipse Award winning sprinters in the 50s, 60s, and 70s, it sure didn't take much to win one.

The Vosburgh was pretty much all that was necessary.

It was such a great race before the BC when it was 7F and at Aqueduct. This is one of those examples when the good old days really were the good old days.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The Vosburgh was pretty much all that was necessary.

It was such a great race before the BC when it was 7F and at Aqueduct. This is one of those examples when the good old days really were the good old days.

Yep, that is what it looked like. A lot of winners had little but a Vosburgh win. The Fall Highweight seemed an important race, and I guess big races around one turn at 1m carried some weight as well.