NYTHA Lasix Primer & Letter to NYS RWB

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes, you guys are quite the show. You are the very picture of 12-year-old boys in a locker room, comparing sizes.

Unfortunately, no matter how often you curse those you disagree with, your obvious stubbornness and ignorance, your refusal to change poorly-informed dogma in the face of experts pointing out your fallacy and falsehood, is a danger to this sport.

The fact remains that your guys uninformed, outdated and wrong opinions are a tiny minority. You're the equivalent of conspiracy theorists and Jenny McCarthy. You do scream ever more loudly and rudely, however, in an attempt to compensate for the lack of fact and truth. Insecurity must be a scary thing for the uninformed and uninformable, to have their dogmatic ideas assaulted but not be able to comprehend or change with the times.

You "know what you know", and dammit, you don't need to consider that you might possibly be entirely wrong.

It has to be very, very dark where your heads are at. But stop trying to ruin horse racing for the rest of us.

It must be very dark where your head is. You think that because you are a vet, you are the only one with a valid opinion? That is ridiculous. And by the way, there are plenty of vets who don't think horses need lasix.

By the way, you don't exactly improve your credibility by saying "eliminating lasix will ruin horseracing". That is one of the most absurd comments I have ever heard. Not even the most ardent supporters of lasix would make such a claim. That is even more absurd than someone claiming that the elimination of lasix will be the cure-all for the sport.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

It must be very dark where your head is. You think that because you are a vet, you are the only one with a valid opinion?

Not at all. But I'm not the one forming my opinion by deliberately ignoring science and reality. You are.

We don't need more uneducated lasix conspiracy nuts. We need leadership.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Riot

Not at all. But I'm not the one forming my opinion by deliberately ignoring science and reality. You are.

We don't need more uneducated lasix conspiracy nuts. We need leadership.

What part of science and reality am I ignoring? I never said that laisx is totally ineffective in lessening the chances and severity of bleeding.

The one ignoring reality is you. You say that "eliminating lasix will ruin horseracing". To make a statement like that you must be totally out of touch with reality. For years we had no lasix in this country and racing was great. In other countries they have no lasix and racing is great. So how would eliminating lasix ruin racing?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

What part of science and reality am I ignoring? I never said that laisx is totally ineffective in lessening the chances and severity of bleeding.

The one ignoring reality is you. You say that "eliminating lasix will ruin horseracing". To make a statement like that you must be totally out of touch with reality. For years we had no lasix in this country and racing was great. In other countries they have no lasix and racing is great. So how would eliminating lasix ruin racing?

Well, me and 60,000 other professionals in the American Veterinary Medical Association, the American Association of Equine Practitioners, and many a trainer.

But you hold on to your tiny minority opinion about lasix as a root of evil in horse racing.

Either you believe in therapeutic medication and modern veterinary medicine for hard-working equine athletes, or you do not.

You don't.

Yeah: I say that attitude isn't good for the horse, and will ruin racing.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Riot

Either you believe in therapeutic medication and modern veterinary medicine for hard-working equine athletes, or you do not.

Is the issue of therapeutic medication really that black-and-white? No grey areas?

Do you think there are instances where therapeutic medication is used when not indicated, overused, or even abused?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Is the issue of therapeutic medication really that black-and-white? No grey areas?

Do you think there are instances where therapeutic medication is used when not indicated, overused, or even abused?

Do you think therapeutic medications can be allowed on race day, or not?

The very definition of therapeutic medication is that used at the proper dose, under veterinary supervision, for the proper indication.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Riot

Do you think therapeutic medications can be allowed on race day, or not?

What do you mean "can be"? Therapeutic medications are already allowed on race day.

The very definition of therapeutic medication is that used at the proper dose, under veterinary supervision, for the proper indication.

So your contention is that legal medications at the racetrack are used only in a therapeutic fashion?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Riot

Well, me and 60,000 other professionals in the American Veterinary Medical Association, the American Association of Equine Practitioners, and many a trainer.

But you hold on to your tiny minority opinion about lasix as a root of evil in horse racing.

Either you believe in therapeutic medication and modern veterinary medicine for hard-working equine athletes, or you do not.

You don't.

Yeah: I say that attitude isn't good for the horse, and will ruin racing.

I don't think too many of those 60,000 people would say that "eliminating lasix will ruin horseracing". I think you are in the minority there.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I don't think too many of those 60,000 people would say that "eliminating lasix will ruin horseracing". I think you are in the minority there.

How about 60,000 professionals advising that, "eliminating race day lasix is bad for the health and welfare of the horse".

Considering that the health and welfare of the horse enables horse racing's existence, it's not really hyperbole.