Havre De Grace Retired

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Sports were so much better before athletes had blogs and especially before people started creating blogs for horses. We don't need photos of Kobe Bryant taking a bath so why should we need them of a horse taking one?

...because it's fun.

It adds another dimension, makes racing more user-friendly.

Racing needs bettors but it also needs fans and the people in between.

Enthusiasm.

I think it's a good thing, Kingie.

I know you know what some people here don't and that is that the fans DO play, that they DO bet, that they're the ones trying to bring more people in and get people excited... not the guys who - when they do actually go to the track - claim their spot inside, spread out the form, their laptop, whatever else and spend the day by themselves in a crowded place.

[Riot]

That's a shame. I'll miss her running. The vet report shows how one tiny, little ligament can end a career. Considering the mare wasn't lame, glad they caught it right away.

Wonder what he'll take for her?

[trackrat59]

Originally Posted by Riot

That's a shame. I'll miss her running. The vet report shows how one tiny, little ligament can end a career. Considering the mare wasn't lame, glad they caught it right away.

Wonder what he'll take for her?

I can't imagine selling her.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by trackrat59

I can't imagine selling her.

i can imagine it...very well actually! she'd buy several good ones.

[Riot]

Wish Americain was at stud.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by Riot

Wish Americain was at stud.

Will he be soon though?

I know he's entered at Randwick this weekend but then David Hayes said he won't be going to Singapore for the SIA Cup next month...

Not sure why.

[trackrat59]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i can imagine it...very well actually! she'd buy several good ones.

"several good ones" - If you have money you can buy "several good ones" all you want. Once you put them on the track in a race, try and keep them happy and healthy, well, that takes "several good ones" to another place.

I think it was the owner of Lava Man that said something about why he would not take any of the offers he was getting for LM. Something like, what was he going to do with the money? Try and purchase "several good ones" and come up with another Lava Man?

Same concept with HDG. Just saying, If that were my filly I would hold on to her.

[freddymo]

I know Dr Riot is a Vet it just seems Rollo is a better one and he is an internet nobody.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I know Dr Riot is a Vet it just seems Rollo is a better one and he is an internet nobody.

I'm no fan of Riot but she explained what 1 / 5 lame is and she is correct.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by trackrat59

"several good ones" - If you have money you can buy "several good ones" all you want. Once you put them on the track in a race, try and keep them happy and healthy, well, that takes "several good ones" to another place.

I think it was the owner of Lava Man that said something about why he would not take any of the offers he was getting for LM. Something like, what was he going to do with the money? Try and purchase "several good ones" and come up with another Lava Man?

Same concept with HDG. Just saying, If that were my filly I would hold on to her.

as rick porter explained, it's part of his business plan to sell his horses when they're done racing. that money he gets out of them at sales makes up for money he spends at sales. that he can't afford a large broodmare band. he named two horses that he kept because he became attached to them. yeah, hdg gets a lot of press, but rick has other horses that maybe don't do so well at the track-but still cost him money. he's not the only one who does this, and i can understand why. as chuck said a few years ago, whether a horse is fast or slow, it costs tens of thousands to keep just one in training-and that's just for basic upkeep. i doubt most of porters buys get what HDG potentially can earn when he sells them.
he's in racing, not breeding. HDG is no longer a racer...he'll sell her to enable him to remain in the racing game. makes perfect sense.

[trackrat59]

Originally Posted by Danzig

as rick porter explained, it's part of his business plan to sell his horses when they're done racing. that money he gets out of them at sales makes up for money he spends at sales. that he can't afford a large broodmare band. he named two horses that he kept because he became attached to them. yeah, hdg gets a lot of press, but rick has other horses that maybe don't do so well at the track-but still cost him money. he's not the only one who does this, and i can understand why. as chuck said a few years ago, whether a horse is fast or slow, it costs tens of thousands to keep just one in training-and that's just for basic upkeep. i doubt most of porters buys get what HDG potentially can earn when he sells them.
he's in racing, not breeding. HDG is no longer a racer...he'll sell her to enable him to remain in the racing game. makes perfect sense.

It all about the money, not the horse. I get it. For some it would be all about the horse. That's my point.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by trackrat59

"several good ones" - If you have money you can buy "several good ones" all you want. Once you put them on the track in a race, try and keep them happy and healthy, well, that takes "several good ones" to another place.

I think it was the owner of Lava Man that said something about why he would not take any of the offers he was getting for LM. Something like, what was he going to do with the money? Try and purchase "several good ones" and come up with another Lava Man?

Same concept with HDG. Just saying, If that were my filly I would hold on to her.

She is a maiden mare in her new career and we don't really need to list the number of really good racemares that were hardly stellar broodmares do we? The odds are that Porter will find the money spent from her purchase far more effective in terms of finding new runners than the money he would have to sink into her as a mare. Between board/farm expenses, stud fee and insurance alone it might cost him close to 1/2 a million a year to keep her.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Riot

That's a shame. I'll miss her running. The vet report shows how one tiny, little ligament can end a career. Considering the mare wasn't lame, glad they caught it right away.

The vet report noted she was lame.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

The vet report noted she was lame.

1 out of 5 isn't visibly lame, is it?

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Riot

1 out of 5 isn't visibly lame, is it?

Please, just admit you overlooked the first part of the report and let's move on.

If you're too proud to put it in writing, a consistently observable head nod will be taken as a "yes" instead.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Please, just admit you overlooked the first part of the report and let's move on.

If you're too proud to put it in writing, a consistently observable head nod will be taken as a "yes" instead.

What nonsense. 1/5 isn't visibly lame. If you didn't know it before, you do now. You learned something. Possibly.

Kudos to a good barn for putting their hands on the horses daily and finding this. Some lower barns miss this type of thing.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Riot

What nonsense. 1/5 isn't visibly lame. If you didn't know it before, you do now. You learned something. Possibly.

Hey, I only pointed out that the report said Havre de Grace was "lame". Your words were "the mare was not lame". Are we to believe you, or Dr. L.R. Bramlage (you know, the one who actually examined her) on this one?

Nevertheless, I'll take the bait:

Not "visibly" lame? What sort of "lame" is it?

What's the definition of lameness? An alteration in a horse's gait. How is this recognized if not by sight? Perhaps by taste? Smell?

Anyways, enough beating around the bush. Your precious AAEP defines a grade 1 lameness as "difficult to observe; not consistently apparent". It does not say it is imperceptible. Never mind that the report also notes that the horse was greater than grade 1 when trotted on a circle to the right. Don't you think that was that deduced visually?

It's this distortion of facts when pressed that makes you lose credibility on here. Just because you have a piece of paper that others here don't, doesn't mean you can pull the wool over their eyes. You might have a PhD or a degree in veterinary medicine, but the only thing you tend to throw around here is a lot of BS.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Please, just admit you overlooked the first part of the report and let's move on.

If you're too proud to put it in writing, a consistently observable head nod will be taken as a "yes" instead.

I dont know about this one.. 1 / 5 isnt really lame.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I dont know about this one.. 1 / 5 isnt really lame.

Ok, fine. But is it at least "sort of lame"?