well, did we win?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

we used to stay out of foreign conflicts, we need to go back to that.

Well, every single Republican candidate (except for Libertarian Ron Paul) wants to immediately start another war in Iran. The military industrial complex is throwing money at them. The American public is apparently too stupid to be appalled (they cheered this at the last debate). Considering that most people less than 30 years old have been trained that this is normal and rightous, via the disastrous 8 years of the last administration, it's not surprising.

So good luck with that.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Riot

Well, every single Republican candidate (except for Libertarian Ron Paul) wants to immediately start another war in Iran. The military industrial complex is throwing money at them. The American public is apparently too stupid to be appalled (they cheered this at the last debate). Considering that most people less than 30 years old have been trained that this is normal and rightous, via the disastrous 8 years of the last administration, it's not surprising.

So good luck with that.

Editorial in today's paper...

On Thursday, troops in Baghdad lowered a flag to signal the end of American military operations in Iraq. Combat troops are departing, but the U.S. will remain intimately involved in the country it invaded in 2003. A verdict regarding the operation has not been delivered.

After it toppled Saddam, the U.S. assumed an obligation to erect a new nation. Initially, it was unprepared for the task. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld came off as supercilious. The armed forces fought heroically on behalf of an uncertain mission.


America has a paid a significant price in dollars and in lives. The troops on the ground behaved with a determination greater than that seen on the home front. This has happened before. The military deserves better civilian leadership. The lack of planning for a post-invasion Iraq permanently will blemish the Bush administration's record, even if Iraq emerges as a Denmark along the Euphrates. Our expectations for Iraq's future are restrained, yet we are not prepared at this moment to judge the war a mistake. Regardless of its enduring outcome, the invasion resembled a humbling experience.


President Obama's withdrawal from Iraq gives him ownership of the war's aftermath. He will be blamed if Iraq disintegrates. The charges against him have begun. The withdrawal may be premature, but the American people have lost the appetite for suzerainty. After Mao and the communists prevailed, the question "Who lost China?" influenced U.S. politics. If Baghdad descends to the depths, American politicians will ask, "Who lost Iraq?".... wasn't aware we won anything.

Iraq: Taps | Richmond Times-Dispatch

Check the link below for full piece...Last para, the word suzerainty is used...sounds like one of yours...lol...found several definitions and still

http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/r...ps-ar-1550241/

[Riot]

Originally Posted by bigrun

Check the link below for full piece...Last para, the word suzerainty is used...sounds like one of yours...lol...found several definitions and still

Never heard of it! But from those various definitions, I would say, no, the Republican party at least most certainly hasn't lost their taste for being the God-Given Suzerain of the world

It was disgusting to hear John McCain stand on the Senate floor the other day and accuse this President of virtually treasonous acts for bringing our troops home. Maybe he's just lost his friggin' mind, finally. I seem to remember years of blanket, "support a wartime president or YOU are treasonous!"

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Riot

Never heard of it! But from those various definitions, I would say, no, the Republican party at least most certainly hasn't lost their taste for being the God-Given Suzerain of the world

It was disgusting to hear John McCain stand on the Senate floor the other day and accuse this President of virtually treasonous acts for bringing our troops home. Maybe he's just lost his friggin' mind, finally. I seem to remember years of blanket, "support a wartime president or YOU are treasonous!"

That only applied to G. Dumya Bush's presidency....also you weren't a Patriot, didn't support the troops, and hate America....heard it all...