well, did we win?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by jms62

And over 1 Trillion dollars. Going forward unless we are attacked I say we institute a 10% war tax to pay for any of these wars. Congressional approval required. We will see how many of these useless wars we are invovled in.

Bush's war was the first one the US didn't pay for when we invaded. What's a trillion on the taxpayers necks for decades, when you can give billions unaccounted for, to your contractor friends?

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Riot

Bush's war was the first one the US didn't pay for when we invaded. What's a trillion on the taxpayers necks for decades, when you can give billions unaccounted for, to your contractor friends?[/

And they will argue this point with you They will bitch about the deficit yet be for these unpaid wars. They will be against taxes yet be for unfunded wars..... .

[Riot]

This is a huge reason we went to war - it's very, very profitable for friends of Bush-Cheney. Oil and war. That's why aggressive neocon politicians are so popular and sell so quickly in Washington.

Watching Romney, Newt, Perry, Bachmann and Santorum trip over each other at the debate the other day, trying to say how quickly they will bomb Iran, is neocon wet dream. Watching Romney brag about how he'll double the size of the navy, and immediately increase the army by 100,000 troops, should really bring in the PAC dollars.

And the below is exactly why Occupy exists. The American people, almost half of whom now live near or in poverty, have had enough.

The below wasted billions - given to Cheney and Bush's friends at Halliburton - would buy alot of food and healthcare for American citizens. Bailed out every single underwater mortgage. Bought college educations for hundreds of thousands.

But no! The Republicans scream we can't spend taxpayer dollars on .... the citizens who give them!

The interim report from the Commission on Wartime Contracting in Iraq and Afghanistan points out that contractors in the war zones sometimes have exceeded the number of military personnel. Numbering 200,000, contractors now roughly match the military force.

"Misspent dollars run into the tens of billions," the report said. The 64-page report was released Thursday and will be followed up next week with a hearing on how to improve contractor accountability.

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-02-25/p..._s=PM:POLITICS

Lost & Unaccounted for in Iraq - $9 billion of US taxpayers' money and $549.7 milion in spare parts shipped in 2004 to US contractors. Also, per ABC News, 190,000 guns, including 110,000 AK-47 rifles.

Lost and Reported Stolen - $6.6 billion of U.S. taxpayers' money earmarked for Iraq reconstruction, reported on June 14, 2011 by Special inspector general for Iraq reconstruction Stuart Bowen who called it "the largest theft of funds in national history." (Source - CBS News) Last known holder of the $6.6 billion lost: the U.S. government.

Missing - $1 billion in tractor trailers, tank recovery vehicles, machine guns, rocket-propelled grenades and other equipment and services provided to the Iraqi security forces. (Per CBS News on Dec 6, 2007.)

Mismanaged & Wasted in Iraq - $10 billion, per Feb 2007 Congressional hearings

Halliburton Overcharges Classified by the Pentagon as Unreasonable and Unsupported - $1.4 billion

Amount paid to KBR, a former Halliburton division, to supply U.S. military in Iraq with food, fuel, housing and other items - $20 billion

Portion of the $20 billion paid to KBR that Pentagon auditors deem "questionable or supportable" - $3.2 billion

http://usliberals.about.com/od/homel...raqNumbers.htm

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Riot

This is a huge reason we went to war - it's very, very profitable for friends of Bush-Cheney. Oil and war. That's why aggressive neocon politicians are so popular and sell so quickly in Washington.

Watching Romney, Newt, Perry, Bachmann and Santorum trip over each other at the debate the other day, trying to say how quickly they will bomb Iran, is neocon wet dream. Watching Romney brag about how he'll double the size of the navy, and immediately increase the army by 100,000 troops, should really bring in the PAC dollars.

No country has EVER won a war in Afghanistangoing back THOUSANDS OF YEARS. It broke the Soviet Union.. Why on earth would we buck those odds???? But I guess we will do the now thing and simply declare victory prior to departure... Trillions spent, countless lives lost... They still hate us and it will degrade into chaos once we leave but hell, we will declare victory. Republican, Democrat... They all suck. Elect Ron Paul and buy as much gold as you can afford once it is clear he is in.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by jms62

No country has EVER won a war in Afghanistangoing back THOUSANDS OF YEARS. It broke the Soviet Union.. Why on earth would we buck those odds???? But I guess we will do the now thing and simply declare victory prior to departure... Trillions spent, countless lives lost... They still hate us and it will degrade into chaos once we leave but hell, we will declare victory. Republican, Democrat... They all suck. Elect Ron Paul and buy as much gold as you can afford once it is clear he is in.

I love watching Ron Paul at these debates ... Newt says he will drag the Supreme Court into congressional hearings if they don't like their rulings, the rest promise to start immediately war in Iran ... and Ron Paul is the only one who looks amazed and says to them, "We have a Constitution, you can't do that"!

You GO, Ron!

And you have to realize that the taxpayers are broke now, the middle class is gone. The only way for the wealthy military-industrial complex to continue to be fed is to have their politicians steal the Medicare and Social Security dollars and funnel those dollars into the private sector via Wall Street . It's the only "free government" money left available to them to steal.

Oh! And don't forget to distract the citizens. Get the citizens to hate each other by demonizing their fellow citizens so they infight and can't see you steal their money: unions, schoolteachers, firefighters, police are the evil ones is this society. SQUIRREL ! GET THEM! THEY have caused us to be broke!

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Riot

I love watching Ron Paul at these debates ... Newt says he will drag the Supreme Court into congressional hearings if they don't like their rulings, the rest promise to start immediately war in Iran ... and Ron Paul is the only one who looks amazed and says to them, "We have a Constitution, you can't do that"!

You GO, Ron!

And you have to realize that the taxpayers are broke now, the middle class is gone. The only way for the wealthy military-industrial complex to continue to be fed is to have their politicians steal the Medicare and Social Security dollars and funnel those dollars into the private sector via Wall Street . It's the only "free government" money left available to them to steal.

Oh! And don't forget to distract the citizens. Get the citizens to hate each other by demonizing their fellow citizens so they infight and can't see you steal their money: unions, schoolteachers, firefighters, police are the evil ones is this society. SQUIRREL ! GET THEM! THEY have caused us to be broke!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

No country has EVER won a war in Afghanistangoing back THOUSANDS OF YEARS. It broke the Soviet Union.. Why on earth would we buck those odds???? But I guess we will do the now thing and simply declare victory prior to departure... Trillions spent, countless lives lost... They still hate us and it will degrade into chaos once we leave but hell, we will declare victory. Republican, Democrat... They all suck. Elect Ron Paul and buy as much gold as you can afford once it is clear he is in.

i agree, they do all suck. i find it funny some blame bush, but when others say obama hasnt fixed anything, bush bashers then say he cant fix it all himself. that congress has a hand in it. hello! congress always has a hand in it. our govt has gotten us in all our messes, not just one person. and its been years in the making. thats why i was cynical when so many bought obamas hope and change lines.