well, did we win?

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by bigrun

Not my mission statement..

According to U.S. President George W. Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair, the reasons for the invasion were "to disarm Iraq of weapons of mass destruction, to end Saddam Hussein's alleged support for terrorism, and to free the Iraqi people."

How many countries have we invaded to 'take out dictators'?...Iraq and...and...and..?

Invaded is an interesting term.
Libya, Cuba, Greece, Italy, Germany, Russia, Iran, Guatemala, Hungary (though this is still open to debate), Brazil, Haiti, Ecuador, Afghanistan (twice), Cambodia, The Congo, etc.etc.etc.

Know your history?

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Invaded is an interesting term.
Libya, Cuba, Greece, Italy, Germany, Russia, Iran, Guatemala, Hungary (though this is still open to debate), Brazil, Haiti, Ecuador, Afghanistan (twice), Cambodia, The Congo, etc.etc.etc.

Know your history?

Italy, Germany....Lol, hysterical... you left off Japan...

all the others, how many HOURS did we spent in any of them...except Afgan, but like i said 1000 times, after 911 bomb the schit out of the terrorist bases there, hunt down and kill bin laden and be out in ONE year tops...but bin laden was not a priority for dumya bush...had Iraq on his mind, remember...

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by bigrun

Italy, Germany....Lol, hysterical... you left off Japan...

all the others, how many HOURS did we spent in any of them...except Afgan, but like i said 1000 times, after 911 bomb the schit out of the terrorist bases there, hunt down and kill bin laden and be out in ONE year tops...but bin laden was not a priority for dumya bush...had Iraq on his mind, remember...

Years and years. The intelligence community has replaced or repaired nearly every dictator in the last 70 years. You can't be more than 25 years old to be so narrow in your world views.

[Danzig]

the us basically entered the world stage (and became a partner in euro wars that have gone on for millenia) in world war one. i wonder sometimes how history would be now had we just stayed out and let germany win that one. there wouldn't have been a hitler, a ww 2, etc...everything that occured because of the 'peace' that ended ww1.
at any rate, hours doesn't begin to explain where we've invaded and what we've done over the last hundred-odd years.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

the us basically entered the world stage (and became a partner in euro wars that have gone on for millenia) in world war one. i wonder sometimes how history would be now had we just stayed out and let germany win that one. there wouldn't have been a hitler, a ww 2, etc...everything that occured because of the 'peace' that ended ww1.

If the US hadn't entered and help halt Germany's advance WW1 might have never ended. We are talking about the US occupying Iraq for a few years like it is the greatest tragedy in history. You think that Germany would have peacefully ruled Europe especially with Russia looming on the Eastern front?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

If the US hadn't entered and help halt Germany's advance WW1 might have never ended. We are talking about the US occupying Iraq for a few years like it is the greatest tragedy in history. You think that Germany would have peacefully ruled Europe especially with Russia looming on the Eastern front?

germany was on the cusp of winning the war when we got in. it's why they had once again said all shipping was a target; they figured they'd win out before we could get over there.

my only point was the peace that was forced on germany after that war was what eventually lead to ww2. i've done more studying on ww1, germany was made out to be the bad guy-but the start of that war, and the build up...well, i don't think germany was the only one at fault for that war.

i don't think us invading iraq was the greatest tragedy in history-there's a lot of history, and a lot of tragedy.
but i do think that it was a tremendous mistake. ill advised, ill planned, poorly waged, and took too much away from afganistan.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

germany was on the cusp of winning the war when we got in. it's why they had once again said all shipping was a target; they figured they'd win out before we could get over there.

my only point was the peace that was forced on germany after that war was what eventually lead to ww2. i've done more studying on ww1, germany was made out to be the bad guy-but the start of that war, and the build up...well, i don't think germany was the only one at fault for that war.

i don't think us invading iraq was the greatest tragedy in history-there's a lot of history, and a lot of tragedy.
but i do think that it was a tremendous mistake. ill advised, ill planned, poorly waged, and took too much away from afganistan.

"The peace forced on Germany" is an interesting way to put it. Perhaps "They lost" would be a better way to explain why German nationalism led to Hitler and WW2.

I wasn't inferring that you in particular said that Iraq was the greatest tragedy in history but when you look at past "wars" it really is hardly more than a blip on the radar screen.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Years and years. The intelligence community has replaced or repaired nearly every dictator in the last 70 years. You can't be more than 25 years old to be so narrow in your world views.

C'mon man, we're talking full scale invasions of soviergn countries that were not any threat to us!!...Not overnite rescues in Granada or taking out bin laden in Pakistan, or Bay of Pigs fiasco and Cuba was a definite threat and RFK stared down the Russkies....Don't try to compare Bush's costly folly in Iraq to any other 'invasion'...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by bigrun

Italy, Germany....Lol, hysterical... you left off Japan...

all the others, how many HOURS did we spent in any of them...except Afgan, but like i said 1000 times, after 911 bomb the schit out of the terrorist bases there, hunt down and kill bin laden and be out in ONE year tops...but bin laden was not a priority for dumya bush...had Iraq on his mind, remember...

We are still in Germany, Japan, Korea...

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

We are still in Germany, Japan, Korea...

But not as occupiers....and they want us there...hell, we are all over the world...

Isn't it odd that Germany and Japan started the war and we and allies defeated them and now those nations are among our best friends....

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by bigrun

But not as occupiers....and they want us there...hell, we are all over the world...

Isn't it odd that Germany and Japan started the war and we and allies defeated them and now those nations are among our best friends....

not so sure you could say they want us there. they're just accepting of it in germany, cause there's nothing they can do to change it.
as for japan, they've been trying to get us out of there, especially okinawa, for years.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

not so sure you could say they want us there. they're just accepting of it in germany, cause there's nothing they can do to change it.
as for japan, they've been trying to get us out of there, especially okinawa, for years.

You honestly believe this? We are in those two countries specifically because they werent allowed to have a huge military buildup post world war 2 yet needed the protection from cold war Soviet Union and now in the case of Japan as a counter to China.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You honestly believe this? We are in those two countries specifically because they werent allowed to have a huge military buildup post world war 2 yet needed the protection from cold war Soviet Union and now in the case of Japan as a counter to China.

i know why we stayed there after the war. but it's been 70 years now. things have changed. however, the fact that we're still there doesn't mean japan and germany still want us there.