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[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Not really. Your entire arguement seemed based on "do you watch games?"

I watch at least a baseball game a night and Verlander has been the most dominant pitcher this year. They are all really good, but his stuff has been unhittable many days.

IMO Halladay and Jurrjens are a toss up. They have both been great. As both teams get healthy it should be a great race down to the wire.

really? the arguement was the phillies have the best rotation in baseball.

i dont even know how it is debatable.

halladay just got picked out, because he is the ace of our aces.

[Antitrust32]

just because halladay gives up a few more hits than verlander doesnt make him less dominant. Halladay gives up some singles and has amazing damage control. plus he has a great SO/BB ratio. i just dont see how you can look at the stat lines and say verlander is that much better than halladay. he might have the slightest of edges, but they have been pretty equal. i dont care if halladay is giving up 8 hits when he goes 7-9 innings routinely and gives up 1-2 (sometimes 3) runs.

when cliff lee is at his best, he's probably the most unhittable pitcher in baseball. see the month of June... i've never seen anything like it. one of the best pitching months in the entire history of baseball. he has been slightly inconsistant this season though, still, no complaints.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

i just dont see how you can look at the stat lines and say verlander is that much better than halladay.

Because I actually do watch games and don't just regurgitate stat lines. But I didn't say he was that much better. Just that he has been the most dominant pitcher in baseball this year. If he's 1, then Halladay is 1A if that makes you happy.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Because I actually do watch games and don't just regurgitate stat lines. But I didn't say he was that much better. Just that he has been the most dominant pitcher in baseball this year. If he's 1, then Halladay is 1A if that makes you happy.

I'm okay with that.


really, the entire base of the arguement was that the Phillies have the best rotation. i just dont think there's a question. it kind of split onto a roy halladay vs the rest of the cy young candidates.

i could pump up two more pages of Cole Hamels, Cliff Lee and Worley/Oswalt love!

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I'm okay with that.


really, the entire base of the arguement was that the Phillies have the best rotation. i just dont think there's a question. it kind of split onto a roy halladay vs the rest of the cy young candidates.

i could pump up two more pages of Cole Hamels, Cliff Lee and Worley/Oswalt love!

They do have a great rotation. I'll concede they are the best, but I don't think the Braves are that far off. In a year or two I think the Braves rotation is going to be the best. Jurrjens is a beast. Tommy Hanson is very good, Beachy has good stuff and they have a few guys in their farm system that are really good that they have brought up for a spot start here and there this year. Julio Tehran, Randall Delgado and Arodys Vizcaino all have really good stuff.

I think Tehran is going to be a star when he finally gets moved up for good.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

They do have a great rotation. I'll concede they are the best, but I don't think the Braves are that far off. In a year or two I think the Braves rotation is going to be the best. Jurrjens is a beast. Tommy Hanson is very good, Beachy has good stuff and they have a few guys in their farm system that are really good that they have brought up for a spot start here and there this year. Julio Tehran, Randall Delgado and Arodys Vizcaino all have really good stuff.

I think Tehran is going to be a star when he finally gets moved up for good.

I do hope both teams get and stay healthy for the second half. its much more fun when its a close race. and the nationals are improving, the mets are, well they are the mets. NL east is tough this year.