Women's World Cup

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by clyde

They both look like converted men.

I sort of agree.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I sort of agree.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I like women that look like women.

[Dahoss]

I hate to get back on original topic, but they are playing a hell of a game so far.

[Cannon Shell]

Verlander 20 starts 12-4 2.15 era 151 IP 101 H 12HR 31BB 147K 4CG WAR 4.5
Halladay 19 starts 11-3 2.45 era 143 IP 129 H 8HR 17BB 138k 6CG WAR 5.1

Considering that Verlander pitches in a decidedly pitchers park and Halladay pitches in a decidedly hitters park it splitting hairs either way.

And if you are going to use advanced metrics as Slotdirt often does it should be noted that Halladays Wins above replacement (WAR) is not only the best in the MLB but Verlander isnt 2nd (4th)

My point remains that there is no way that 99% of managers/GM's are taking Verlander based on this seasons results.

And the irony is I probably would take Verlander too.

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Verlander 20 starts 12-4 2.15 era 151 IP 101 H 12HR 31BB 147K 4CG WAR 4.5
Halladay 19 starts 11-3 2.45 era 143 IP 129 H 8HR 17BB 138k 6CG WAR 5.1

Considering that Verlander pitches in a decidedly pitchers park and Halladay pitches in a decidedly hitters park it splitting hairs either way.

And if you are going to use advanced metrics as Slotdirt often does it should be noted that Halladays Wins above replacement (WAR) is not only the best in the MLB but Verlander isnt 2nd (4th)

My point remains that there is no way that 99% of managers/GM's are taking Verlander based on this seasons results.

And the irony is I probably would take Verlander too.

WAR is obviously subjective depending on who is calculating it, as other websites list Verlander at 5.4 to Halladay's 4.9. Based on what I've seen of both pitchers so far this season, that would be a more accurate indicator of each pitcher's player value.

Also, based on park factor statistics for 2011, the Tigers and Phillies both play in parks that are, on average, friendlier to pitchers than hitters. In 2010, the park factors for Comerica and Citizens Bank were virtually identical (16th and 17th in the league, respectively). In 2009, both parks ranked friendlier to hitters than pitchers (the Cit one spot higher than Comerica 12th versus 13th), and in 2007 and 2008, Comerica was actually a friendlier park to hitters than was Citizens Bank. SO really, the evidence doesn't show that Citizens Bank Park is more of a hitters park than Comerica (not to mention the fact that Halladay's former home field of the old Skydome almost always in recent years yielded fewer runs than the average park).

[slotdirt]

P.S. - Alex Morgan is still hot.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

WAR is obviously subjective depending on who is calculating it, as other websites list Verlander at 5.4 to Halladay's 4.9. Based on what I've seen of both pitchers so far this season, that would be a more accurate indicator of each pitcher's player value.

Also, based on park factor statistics for 2011, the Tigers and Phillies both play in parks that are, on average, friendlier to pitchers than hitters. In 2010, the park factors for Comerica and Citizens Bank were virtually identical (16th and 17th in the league, respectively). In 2009, both parks ranked friendlier to hitters than pitchers (the Cit one spot higher than Comerica 12th versus 13th), and in 2007 and 2008, Comerica was actually a friendlier park to hitters than was Citizens Bank. SO really, the evidence doesn't show that Citizens Bank Park is more of a hitters park than Comerica (not to mention the fact that Halladay's former home field of the old Skydome almost always in recent years yielded fewer runs than the average park).

So you still want to stick with that 99% number?

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Verlander 20 starts 12-4 2.15 era 151 IP 101 H 12HR 31BB 147K 4CG WAR 4.5
Halladay 19 starts 11-3 2.45 era 143 IP 129 H 8HR 17BB 138k 6CG WAR 5.1

Considering that Verlander pitches in a decidedly pitchers park and Halladay pitches in a decidedly hitters park it splitting hairs either way.

And if you are going to use advanced metrics as Slotdirt often does it should be noted that Halladays Wins above replacement (WAR) is not only the best in the MLB but Verlander isnt 2nd (4th)

My point remains that there is no way that 99% of managers/GM's are taking Verlander based on this seasons results.

And the irony is I probably would take Verlander too.

I think any advantage you want to give Verlander for pitching in a "pitchers" park, when at home, is offset by the fact that Halladay gets an auto out at least once every 9 batters at least 75% of the time. Outside of Adam Dunne, Verlander has no easy outs.

[slotdirt]

By the by, guy having the most under the radar awesome season this year has to be Gio Gonzalez. That guy's numbers are also pretty sparkling.

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I think any advantage you want to give Verlander for pitching in a "pitchers" park, when at home, is offset by the fact that Halladay gets an auto out at least once every 9 batters at least 75% of the time. Outside of Adam Dunne, Verlander has no easy outs.

Joe Mauer 2011 begs to differ! Adam Dunn's not the only albatross in the Al Central.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I think any advantage you want to give Verlander for pitching in a "pitchers" park, when at home, is offset by the fact that Halladay gets an auto out at least once every 9 batters at least 75% of the time. Outside of Adam Dunne, Verlander has no easy outs.

no easy outs when he gets to play Cleveland?


(sorry clyde.. couldnt resist)

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I think any advantage you want to give Verlander for pitching in a "pitchers" park, when at home, is offset by the fact that Halladay gets an auto out at least once every 9 batters at least 75% of the time. Outside of Adam Dunne, Verlander has no easy outs.

Since very few pitchers average more than 6 IP that 1 in 9 number is not exactly accurate.

And considering there are exactly no good teams in the AL Central as of now the league difference isnt that big of a deal.

I am not knocking Verlander as I think he is great. But the assertion that he is clearly having a better season than Halladay is just not accurate.

[MaTH716]

Hello, Alex Morgan

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[Dahoss]

Much better

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I like women that look like women.

i dont see it with Hope Solo. she's one sexy woman. is it because of her athletic build?

[somerfrost]

US into finals with 3-1 win over very game French team, french came out in second half and tied game 1-1 outplaying the US for quite awhile but then two clutch goals put the game away!

[clyde]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I sort of agree.

There are better examples....but this is like horseshoes.



They're close enough.