Women's World Cup

Dahoss · #1 07-13-2011, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I like women that look like women.

Dahoss · #2 07-13-2011, 12:41 PM

I hate to get back on original topic, but they are playing a hell of a game so far.

Cannon Shell · #3 07-13-2011, 12:52 PM

Verlander 20 starts 12-4 2.15 era 151 IP 101 H 12HR 31BB 147K 4CG WAR 4.5
Halladay 19 starts 11-3 2.45 era 143 IP 129 H 8HR 17BB 138k 6CG WAR 5.1

Considering that Verlander pitches in a decidedly pitchers park and Halladay pitches in a decidedly hitters park it splitting hairs either way.

And if you are going to use advanced metrics as Slotdirt often does it should be noted that Halladays Wins above replacement (WAR) is not only the best in the MLB but Verlander isnt 2nd (4th)

My point remains that there is no way that 99% of managers/GM's are taking Verlander based on this seasons results.

And the irony is I probably would take Verlander too.

slotdirt · #4 07-13-2011, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Verlander 20 starts 12-4 2.15 era 151 IP 101 H 12HR 31BB 147K 4CG WAR 4.5
Halladay 19 starts 11-3 2.45 era 143 IP 129 H 8HR 17BB 138k 6CG WAR 5.1

Considering that Verlander pitches in a decidedly pitchers park and Halladay pitches in a decidedly hitters park it splitting hairs either way.

And if you are going to use advanced metrics as Slotdirt often does it should be noted that Halladays Wins above replacement (WAR) is not only the best in the MLB but Verlander isnt 2nd (4th)

My point remains that there is no way that 99% of managers/GM's are taking Verlander based on this seasons results.

And the irony is I probably would take Verlander too.

WAR is obviously subjective depending on who is calculating it, as other websites list Verlander at 5.4 to Halladay's 4.9. Based on what I've seen of both pitchers so far this season, that would be a more accurate indicator of each pitcher's player value.

Also, based on park factor statistics for 2011, the Tigers and Phillies both play in parks that are, on average, friendlier to pitchers than hitters. In 2010, the park factors for Comerica and Citizens Bank were virtually identical (16th and 17th in the league, respectively). In 2009, both parks ranked friendlier to hitters than pitchers (the Cit one spot higher than Comerica 12th versus 13th), and in 2007 and 2008, Comerica was actually a friendlier park to hitters than was Citizens Bank. SO really, the evidence doesn't show that Citizens Bank Park is more of a hitters park than Comerica (not to mention the fact that Halladay's former home field of the old Skydome almost always in recent years yielded fewer runs than the average park).

slotdirt · #5 07-13-2011, 01:18 PM

P.S. - Alex Morgan is still hot.

clyde · #6 07-13-2011, 01:20 PM

She doesn't look hot to me...at all.

Alex Morgan, I mean.

Cannon Shell · #7 07-13-2011, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

WAR is obviously subjective depending on who is calculating it, as other websites list Verlander at 5.4 to Halladay's 4.9. Based on what I've seen of both pitchers so far this season, that would be a more accurate indicator of each pitcher's player value.

Also, based on park factor statistics for 2011, the Tigers and Phillies both play in parks that are, on average, friendlier to pitchers than hitters. In 2010, the park factors for Comerica and Citizens Bank were virtually identical (16th and 17th in the league, respectively). In 2009, both parks ranked friendlier to hitters than pitchers (the Cit one spot higher than Comerica 12th versus 13th), and in 2007 and 2008, Comerica was actually a friendlier park to hitters than was Citizens Bank. SO really, the evidence doesn't show that Citizens Bank Park is more of a hitters park than Comerica (not to mention the fact that Halladay's former home field of the old Skydome almost always in recent years yielded fewer runs than the average park).

So you still want to stick with that 99% number?

slotdirt · #8 07-14-2011, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

So you still want to stick with that 99% number?

99 percent was antitrust's number if you've read the entire thread.

clyde · #9 07-14-2011, 12:13 PM

Now they're arguing about the source of 99%...as well as the real value of 99%.

Raw data cooking is next.

I'm leaving.

Antitrust32 · #10 07-14-2011, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

99 percent was antitrust's number if you've read the entire thread.

false. did you read the thread?

the only 99% i used was that managers would agree the phillies have the best rotation in baseball. i still think that is true.

it had nothing to do with verlander vs halladay. it wouldnt be smart to say 99% when you are comparing the two best pitchers in baseball. I would assume that number would be close to 50/50 if you are talking about having a pitcher for this year only. long term contract Verlander would be more inticing based on age only.

Antitrust32 · #11 07-14-2011, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

99 percent was antitrust's number if you've read the entire thread.

LOL

GBBob · #12 07-13-2011, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Verlander 20 starts 12-4 2.15 era 151 IP 101 H 12HR 31BB 147K 4CG WAR 4.5
Halladay 19 starts 11-3 2.45 era 143 IP 129 H 8HR 17BB 138k 6CG WAR 5.1

Considering that Verlander pitches in a decidedly pitchers park and Halladay pitches in a decidedly hitters park it splitting hairs either way.

And if you are going to use advanced metrics as Slotdirt often does it should be noted that Halladays Wins above replacement (WAR) is not only the best in the MLB but Verlander isnt 2nd (4th)

My point remains that there is no way that 99% of managers/GM's are taking Verlander based on this seasons results.

And the irony is I probably would take Verlander too.

I think any advantage you want to give Verlander for pitching in a "pitchers" park, when at home, is offset by the fact that Halladay gets an auto out at least once every 9 batters at least 75% of the time. Outside of Adam Dunne, Verlander has no easy outs.

slotdirt · #13 07-13-2011, 01:20 PM

By the by, guy having the most under the radar awesome season this year has to be Gio Gonzalez. That guy's numbers are also pretty sparkling.

slotdirt · #14 07-13-2011, 01:22 PM

How about now, Clyde?

Found a different one - no X.

clyde · #15 07-13-2011, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

How about now, Clyde? On the left...

ER...that's a big X.

Well ya got me here...not following.

Dahoss · #16 07-13-2011, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

How about now, Clyde?

Found a different one - no X.

Antitrust32 · #17 07-13-2011, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

By the by, guy having the most under the radar awesome season this year has to be Gio Gonzalez. That guy's numbers are also pretty sparkling.

yes... it would have been nice if the Phillies hadnt traded him a few years ago! Gonzalez is a real good pitcher

slotdirt · #18 07-13-2011, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob

I think any advantage you want to give Verlander for pitching in a "pitchers" park, when at home, is offset by the fact that Halladay gets an auto out at least once every 9 batters at least 75% of the time. Outside of Adam Dunne, Verlander has no easy outs.

Joe Mauer 2011 begs to differ! Adam Dunn's not the only albatross in the Al Central.

slotdirt · #19 07-13-2011, 01:36 PM

clyde should also google (or oogle, either way) Heather Mitts. She's like the Anna Kournikova of women's soccer.

MaTH716 · #20 07-13-2011, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

clyde should also google (or oogle, either way) Heather Mitts. She's like the Anna Kournikova of women's soccer.

She has her own damn website.
http://heathermitts.com/