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[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Moreover, considering the difference between the respective WAR of PHI vs. ATL is three times less than ATL and the next team in the rankings, even one blindly defending PHI should easily be able to see that there is at least an argument that ATL's staff has been as good as PHI's based on the massive difference between PHI, ATL, and the rest of the National League.

(Incidentally, Verlander's midseason WAR of 5.4 compromises all but .7 of the entire Detroit pitching staff's WAR for 2011, and that includes another pitcher who is also in double digits in wins - shows just how valuable "wins" are as a defining statistic for pitchers...)

if they were as good they wouldnt be 1.5 points behind. You can say, that they have been as close to the phils compared to every other team. and you are still a dumbass. I said the link you posted showed it as TEAM PITCHING. it also proved it as a ROTATION... did you notice 3 of the top 7 on that list are Philadelphia starters?? need new glasses?

I'd still take the Giants and / or Rangers rotation over the Braves. I think Jurrjens could be this years Jimenez... great first half, tail off the 2nd half. He has not logged a lot of innings, so it could catch up to him. Hopefully not though, I enjoy good competition.

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

if they were as good they wouldnt be 1.5 points behind. You can say, that they have been as close to the phils compared to every other team. and you are still a dumbass. I said the link you posted showed it as TEAM PITCHING. it also proved it as a ROTATION... did you notice 3 of the top 7 on that list are Philadelphia starters?? need new glasses?

I'd still take the Giants and / or Rangers rotation over the Braves. I think Jurrjens could be this years Jimenez... great first half, tail off the 2nd half. He has not logged a lot of innings, so it could catch up to him. Hopefully not though, I enjoy good competition.

P.S. - why would you say this? Jurjjens in his four ATL years has proven to be a better than average pitcher in three of them, and his second halfs haven't been any worse than his first (not to mention the fact that he's not even near his peak seasons yet). For someone who likes to tell someone else that they don't watch a lot of baseball (as if that is relevant to a sport that plays 162 games and is wholly reliant on statistics), you clearly don't know a whole heck of a lot about the best pitcher on one of your team's biggest rivals.

[Antitrust32]

when it comes to Verlander and Halladay... they have been almost equal for the year.

Verlander: 20 starts; 151 innings ; 147 strikeouts; 31 walks; 2.15 ERA

Halladay: 19 starts; 143.1 innings; 138 strikeouts; 17 walks; 2.45 ERA

pretty equal. While Verlander has a slightly lower ERA, Halladay has a much greater Strikeout to walk ratio. both have been horses. its hard to tell them apart, especially when you look at the last 10 Game log:

Verlander: W L W W W W W W W W

Halladay: W W W W W W W W W W

and those are TEAM wins, not individual win / loss. the only thing that matters is the team winning in the end.

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

when it comes to Verlander and Halladay... they have been almost equal for the year.

Verlander: 20 starts; 151 innings ; 147 strikeouts; 31 walks; 2.15 ERA

Halladay: 19 starts; 143.1 innings; 138 strikeouts; 17 walks; 2.45 ERA

pretty equal. While Verlander has a slightly lower ERA, Halladay has a much greater Strikeout to walk ratio. both have been horses. its hard to tell them apart, especially when you look at the last 10 Game log:

Verlander: W L W W W W W W W W

Halladay: W W W W W W W W W W

and those are TEAM wins, not individual win / loss. the only thing that matters is the team winning in the end.

Come on, team wins, team schmins. Verlander has thrown more innings, has the best WHIP in baseball (by a lot), more strikeouts, more quality starts, better ERA, better ERA+, and has opponents batting 52 points less against him than Halladay at this point in the season.

To tell the truth, there are about four pitchers in the AL (Verlander, Shields, Beckett, Weaver) who would all be frontrunners for NL Cy Young if they were in that league this year.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Come on, team wins, team schmins. Verlander has thrown more innings, has the best WHIP in baseball (by a lot), more strikeouts, more quality starts, better ERA, better ERA+, and has opponents batting 52 points less against him than Halladay at this point in the season.

To tell the truth, there are about four pitchers in the AL (Verlander, Shields, Beckett, Weaver) who would all be frontrunners for NL Cy Young if they were in that league this year.

see this post proves how dumb you are.

he has one more start than halladay.

both pitchers are averaging 7.5 innings per start... so since Verlander has started once more..... see? you just dont understand simple things. they are averaging almost the same exact strikeouts per game. Halladay is averaging less walks.

you might be the only person on earth that believes what you spew.

[slotdirt]

To wit - Jurrjens in 2009 (easily his best season to date - as a 23 year old) pitched 44 innings in the month of September (presumably antitrust's predicted tail-off period), and gave up but seven earned runs in that period. 2010, he was hurt and missed like half the season, so that doesn't count. In 2008, he had two really good starts coming down the stretch, and two really mediocre ones, so we'll call that a wash. In 2007, he didn't even come to the big leagues until mid-August and was 21, so I don't think we can hold that against him either.

In any event, Jurrjens is only 25 and has a freaking 1.87 ERA at the midpoint of the season and a 205 ERA+ (which if it holds, would be the best ERA+ season in baseball by a pitcher not named Martinez or Clemens since Kevin Brown in 1996). I'd say he's going to win the Cy Young if he continues to pitch this way.

Which brings me back to your original statement of:

"btw, so far phillies pitching staff is meeting / exceeding expectations."

To which I replied:

"They are? I'm not even sure their rotation is the best in baseball right now, let alone best of all time as folks were predicting preseason."

And has generated about two pages of you calling me every name you can think of. Meanwhile, the Phillies rotation really are exceeding expectations? Because I heard they were going to have the best rotation EVER. Can you honestly say that the 2011 Philadelphia Phillies have the best rotation in major league baseball history? Because that would be the only real way they could have somehow exceeded their expectations.

[Antitrust32]

Fine, lets make a bet

I say Halladay wins the Cy Young

you think Jurrjens.

$25 if either of us are correct.

if a different pitcher wins the award, no pay out.

and if either pitcher lands on the DL in the 2nd half, bet is void.

put your money where your mouth is.

[Antitrust32]

the expectations were high, and they have exceeded them. unless you want to hold Oswalt blowing his back out against it.

i thought they could be comparable to the braves in the 90's and so far they have. i'll be you will argue that also! they have three of the top 9 pitchers in baseball (top 7 if you use some stats). hard to see where you are coming from, except more Philly hate.

and I can come up with a lot more words than dumbass and idiot. those are just two words that explain your baseball stance pretty well (and sports stance in general)

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Fine, lets make a bet

I say Halladay wins the Cy Young

you think Jurrjens.

$25 if either of us are correct.

if a different pitcher wins the award, no pay out.

and if either pitcher lands on the DL in the 2nd half, bet is void.

put your money where your mouth is.

Deal (though as I said earlier, not sure Halladay is even the Phillies pitcher most likely to win the Cy Young, all things considered)

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Deal (though as I said earlier, not sure Halladay is even the Phillies pitcher most likely to win the Cy Young, all things considered)

good.

hopefully neither pitcher ends up on the DL so we can settle this with cash.

[Antitrust32]

and team wins??? thats the only thing that matters in baseball. You want your team to win when your ace is up there. its the only thing that matters to being an ace, and to playing baseball in general.

Yes, it is impressive and meaningful that the Tigers and Phillies are a combined 19-1 in their horses last 10 starts.