AZ Congresswoman in critical condition after shooting

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QUOTE=Princess Doreen;741545]Clarence has toned down his rhetoric in today's interviews. Almost immediately after the shooting on Saturday, however, he stated that Loughner was inspired by conservative talk radio.

Nope. He didn't.

I watched every press conference Saturday, including watching live the first one he gave, where he made the original statement (which I quoted in the previous post) and I never heard him say that.

I have never seen any replay quote of the Sheriff saying that on any news program. Have you?

Don't you think if he really said that, they would be replaying that clip all over the news?

They can't replay anything. Because he never said it.

If he did say it, please provide a direct quote or video to support your contention, and I'll gladly correct my thinking that statement is false.

He even admitted today that he spoke out of emotion rather than fact - something a law and order man shouldn't be doing.

He said that Saturday. That he did not know what caused the gunman to do it, he did not know if politics had anything to do with it, but he thinks that the violent rhetoric has gotten out of hand.

Re his failure to protect Rep. Giffords. He knew she was a target, stated several happenings that gave out all sorts of warning signals - and I'm not talking about Sarah Palin's crosshairs graphic.

Nonsensical wildazz guess with no facts in evidence. He's talked about her office being damaged. He talked about threats she'd had and the resolution of those. He said she didn't routinely have police at her Congress On Your Corner events (which she does quite regularly).

It makes more sense that he said the rhetoric statement because - first, it's true - that he's listened to the angry rhetoric for the past few years for all elected officials down there, people threatening others, people getting angry,healthcare, immigration (terribly nasty down there), saw the Judge have to have US Marshalls to protect him a while back, heard the threats against her, and then a Congresswoman he knows gets blown away in a mass murder-attempted assassination in a Safeway parking lot.

Naw, the first thing you come up with is that there isn't really any violent rhetoric, it's all about a deliberately planned misdirection attempt to the press to cover his ass.

I'll take the more logical answer, myself.

[Riot]

Here's a very telling quote from Roger Ailes, Fox News President, as reported by NBC, regarding what he told his on-air personalities Saturday about reporting the shootings:

"I told all of our guys, shut up, tone it down, make your argument intellectually. You don't have to do it with bombast. I hope the other side does that". - Roger Ailes

First, his on-air news guys don't know how to report on a breaking news story? And the way to do it is: "Shut up? Tone it down? "

And there is an "other side" in a mass murder-assassination attempt? And one would normally expect his news team to report this story "with bombast" ??

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by Riot

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Nope. He didn't.

I watched every press conference Saturday, including watching live the first one he gave, where he made the original statement (which I quoted in the previous post) and I never heard him say that.

I have never seen any replay quote of the Sheriff saying that on any news program. Have you?

Don't you think if he really said that, they would be replaying that clip all over the news?

They can't replay anything. Because he never said it.

If he did say it, please provide a direct quote or video to support your contention, and I'll gladly correct my thinking that statement is false.

He said that Saturday. That he did not know what caused the gunman to do it, he did not know if politics had anything to do with it, but he thinks that the violent rhetoric has gotten out of hand.

Nonsensical wildazz guess with no facts in evidence. He's talked about her office being damaged. He talked about threats she'd had and the resolution of those. He said she didn't routinely have police at her Congress On Your Corner events (which she does quite regularly).

It makes more sense that he said the rhetoric statement because - first, it's true - that he's listened to the angry rhetoric for the past few years for all elected officials down there, people threatening others, people getting angry,healthcare, immigration (terribly nasty down there), saw the Judge have to have US Marshalls to protect him a while back, heard the threats against her, and then a Congresswoman he knows gets blown away in a mass murder-attempted assassination in a Safeway parking lot.

Naw, the first thing you come up with is that there isn't really any violent rhetoric, it's all about a deliberately planned misdirection attempt to the press to cover his ass.

I'll take the more logical answer, myself.

Yup, he did - I saw it on Saturday and again tonight on Bill O'Reilly's The Factor. Can't find it on the internet, however. Must have gotten taken down because it's too incendiary.

Here's a reference to it - which I'm sure you'll find fault with.

http://www.examiner.com/political-bu...alk-radio-link

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Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

Yup, he did - I saw it on Saturday and again tonight on Bill O'Reilly's The Factor. Can't find it on the internet, however. Must have gotten taken down because it's too incendiary.

Here's a reference to it - which I'm sure you'll find fault with.

http://www.examiner.com/political-bu...alk-radio-link

"The comments by Sheriff Dupnik clearly blamed conservative talk radio for inspiring Loughner,"

That is the "proof"? Some guy saying so? Yeah. That's baloney.

All the major news orgs were at that press conference where the Sheriff allegedly said that, it was televised live.

And you're saying no news organization in the world has a copy of the video of the Sheriff saying that?

How can that be? They are playing other clips from that news conference.

All the talk on the Sunday morning news shows today - Fox News Sunday, Meet the Press, Face the Nation, etc - were about "the vitriolic conversation", and nobody televises that clip?

Even Fox News doesn't televise any clip of the Sheriff saying that?

That's because he never said it. Period.

But, as Brian pointed out, the right wing hysteria machine immediately took off defending themselves. Against words that didn't mention them directly. Very telling.

Stop blaming the Sheriff for something he never said.

[Riot]

A quick search of YouTube finds multiple video copies of the Sheriffs first press conference.

This (part 2 of a 4 part download) contains the applicable quotes, starting about 1:29. The entire press conference is here.

If someone can find anywhere where he specifically calls out conservatives, or the right wing, please point it out. He does talk about radio and some television, but never mentions right wing or conservative.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwhOE...eature=related

And here's the part where he says we in the US should do some soul-searching regarding our vitriolic talk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccY9l...eature=related

But nowhere does he talk specifically about conservatives or the right wing.

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by Riot

A quick search of YouTube finds multiple video copies of the Sheriffs first press conference.

This (part 2 of a 4 part download) contains the applicable quotes, starting about 1:29. The entire press conference is here.

If someone can find anywhere where he specifically calls out conservatives, or the right wing, please point it out. He does talk about radio and some television, but never mentions right wing or conservative.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwhOE...eature=related

And here's the part where he says we in the US should do some soul-searching regarding our vitriolic talk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccY9l...eature=related

But nowhere does he talk specifically about conservatives or the right wing.

Try these -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJlJmtqPVK0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slmQDzMpBM0

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

Try these -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJlJmtqPVK0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slmQDzMpBM0

Nice work PD - Facts Matter
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[Riot]

Originally Posted by geeker2

Nice work PD - Facts Matter

Except her "facts" have nothing whatsoever to do with what she said happened. How is that in any way "nice work"?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

Try these -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJlJmtqPVK0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slmQDzMpBM0

Sorry Doreen. What you post doesn't support your contention at all.

You - and the right wing hysteria machine - said the Sheriff originally called out right wing/conservatives. That's your excuse for attacking him. He did not. That's clear on the tapes of the press conference.

The Sheriff never, in his press conference, called out the right or conservatives, did he?

Now, later - after the right wing hysterics have been screaming for 24 hours that he called them out when he didn't - he's on talk shows talking about how it doesn't surprise him the right wing hysteria machine ginned itself up over him simply talking about vitriolic talk in a general way.

It's laughable. That's exactly what happened. As Brian pointed out. As we are pointing out now. You've now proved my point for me. Thanks

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by Riot

Sorry Doreen. What you post doesn't support your contention at all.

You - and the right wing hysteria machine - said the Sheriff originally called out right wing/conservatives. That's your excuse for attacking him. He did not. That's clear on the tapes of the press conference.

The Sheriff never, in his press conference, called out the right or conservatives, did he?

Now, later - after the right wing hysterics have been screaming for 24 hours that he called them out when he didn't - he's on talk shows talking about how it doesn't surprise him the right wing hysteria machine ginned itself up over him simply talking about vitriolic talk in a general way.

It's laughable. That's exactly what happened. As Brian pointed out. As we are pointing out now. You've now proved my point for me. Thanks

If he wasn't talking about conservative talk radio and tv, just exactly who was he talking about?

It's time to stop the SPIN. Sheriff Clarence should not be using his job to be making political statements, and he shouldn't be placing blame on anyone before the facts are in. He's the catalyst that started all this, "You're to blame. No, you're to blame." nonsense. It accomplishes nothing except to make the chasm wider between the parties.

Nothing has been stated by Sharon Angle or Sarah Palin that hasn't been stated by members of both political parties in their campaign rhetoric. Now, all of a sudden - rhetoric is at fault for this nut job's actions.

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by Riot

Sorry Doreen. What you post doesn't support your contention at all.

You - and the right wing hysteria machine - said the Sheriff originally called out right wing/conservatives. That's your excuse for attacking him. He did not. That's clear on the tapes of the press conference.

The Sheriff never, in his press conference, called out the right or conservatives, did he?

Now, later - after the right wing hysterics have been screaming for 24 hours that he called them out when he didn't - he's on talk shows talking about how it doesn't surprise him the right wing hysteria machine ginned itself up over him simply talking about vitriolic talk in a general way.

It's laughable. That's exactly what happened. As Brian pointed out. As we are pointing out now. You've now proved my point for me. Thanks

I get it now.

He didn't believe the right was the issue until after he did the press conference.

Then after talking to the media - he then made up his mind.


I can see that.






I had a gay friend -she wasn't gay until she came out and told everyone.


I can see that.