AZ Congresswoman in critical condition after shooting

[Riot]

On Sunday, the Times explained Tucson: "It is facile and mistaken to attribute this particular madman's act directly to Republicans or tea party members. But . . . " The "directly" is priceless.

That's right, George. It is facile and mistaken. That's precisely what they said. The NY Times agrees with you.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

What's truth to one is false to another. We're never going to agree, so let's agree to disagree.
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Well, no, "truth" is not opinion. Nor wishful thinking.

The Sheriff never said what you and the right wing hysterics say he did. That's the only truth there is. You can continue to deny it.

Maybe you could say, "Wow, I never realized he really didn't say that. Everyone was saying he did. Kinda crazy. I'll stop saying he said it, because he didn't"

Because, gee, why add to the vitriolic rhetoric for no reason?

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Riot

Gee, no, that's why I ASKED YOU WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THAT. Because I don't want to assume, or put words in your mouth. I don't know your answer. So I ASKED YOU.

Is using words really this difficult?



Maybe you couldn't be stupid. But I doubt that will happen.
And after all these decades, I'm still a registered Republican, thanks.

Please accept my apology regarding you being a Demotard? Glad to know you have some sense in politics.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Please accept my apology regarding you being a Demotard? Glad to know you have some sense in politics.

Don't get too happy. I can't picture myself pulling a GOP lever for the next two election cycles. Have to see who shows up.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Please accept my apology regarding you being a Demotard? Glad to know you have some sense in politics.

See People with Brains vote on the issues because they can think so their registered party really does not matter. Dull people will blindly vote 1 party irrespective of the candidate. You can spot these people very simply. The dullest of the dull amongst them usually resort to name calling of the party they are against.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

She is a moron. What does carrying guns to overthrow the government ("second amendment remedies") have to do with elections in a democratic society? Why bring guns up?

half the things she says dont make sense. I just dont read that as a call to kill Harry Reid.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by jms62

See People with Brains vote on the issues because they can think so their registered party really does not matter. Dull people will blindly vote 1 party irrespective of the candidate. You can spot these people very simply. The dullest of the dull amongst them usually resort to name calling of the party they are against.

So what I wont vote Democrat anymore. The Democrats showed thier true colors and opened thier mouthes by blaming Palin and the Tea Party without an investagation being completed.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

half the things she says dont make sense. I just dont read that as a call to kill Harry Reid.

Thank you.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by jms62

See People with Brains vote on the issues because they can think so their registered party really does not matter. Dull people will blindly vote 1 party irrespective of the candidate. You can spot these people very simply. The dullest of the dull amongst them usually resort to name calling of the party they are against.

Calling me DULL doesnt bother me at all. I have a degree, so I must have some form of brains. Do you have a Degree?

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Calling me DULL doesnt bother me at all. I have a degree, so I must have some form of brains. Do you have a Degree?

I guess you just got it... Seriously now.. What is your IQ ?

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

half the things she says dont make sense. I just dont read that as a call to kill Harry Reid.

Well you're not retarded.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

How many "liberal" media outlets actually, truely blamed someone on the right?

Is Jesse Jackson and the Chicago Suntimes major enough? This was like finding the Holy Grail.

There is no evidence that Jared Loughner, the alleged gunman in Tucson, was a member of a right-wing hate group. He was clearly a young man whose mind was unraveling. But it is exactly the mentally unstable who are most likely to be influenced by an atmosphere filled with hate and murderous rhetoric.

If there is no evidence Jesse then why bring it up? Oh because....

In Arizona, the kindling was there. The economy has been hit hard by the financial collapse, with employment opportunities for young people particularly limited. With families losing jobs or homes, fear and depression are inevitable. Add to this a venomous, racially charged debate on immigration and health care reform, as well as some of the worst gun-control laws in the country.

So not only was it the rhetoric it was the economy, employment for young people, health care, gun-control and of course racisim? Then he enlightens us with this Dupnik statement.

As Pima County Sheriff Clarence W. Dupnik stated, Arizona has become “a Mecca for prejudice and bigotry,” a cauldron of Tea Party anger, right-wing hate groups and anti-immigrant posturing.


Must have to admit the similarities between the Jared Loughner murders and the civil rights movement as pointed out by the Rev. are remarkable. To a lunatic!!!

http://www.suntimes.com/3240275-417/...g-actions.html

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Is Jesse Jackson and the Chicago Suntimes major enough? This was like finding the Holy Grail.

There is no evidence that Jared Loughner, the alleged gunman in Tucson, was a member of a right-wing hate group. He was clearly a young man whose mind was unraveling. But it is exactly the mentally unstable who are most likely to be influenced by an atmosphere filled with hate and murderous rhetoric.

If there is no evidence Jesse then why bring it up? Oh because....

In Arizona, the kindling was there. The economy has been hit hard by the financial collapse, with employment opportunities for young people particularly limited. With families losing jobs or homes, fear and depression are inevitable. Add to this a venomous, racially charged debate on immigration and health care reform, as well as some of the worst gun-control laws in the country.

So not only was it the rhetoric it was the economy, employment for young people, health care, gun-control and of course racisim? Then he enlightens us with this Dupnik statement.

As Pima County Sheriff Clarence W. Dupnik stated, Arizona has become “a Mecca for prejudice and bigotry,” a cauldron of Tea Party anger, right-wing hate groups and anti-immigrant posturing.


Must have to admit the similarities between the Jared Loughner murders and the civil rights movement as pointed out by the Rev. are remarkable. To a lunatic!!!

http://www.suntimes.com/3240275-417/...g-actions.html

So where is the part where he says, "Sarah, Glenn, the Tea Party, the right wing, conservatives hold some of the blame for this" ??

Where is it? Did you skip posting that "holy grail" ?

As Pima County Sheriff Clarence W. Dupnik stated, Arizona has become “a Mecca for prejudice and bigotry,” a cauldron of Tea Party anger, right-wing hate groups and anti-immigrant posturing.

The Sheriff only said the bolded quote part. I posted the videos of his saying that, and that entire direct quote already in this thread. The writer (Jackson) added the reference to "anger, right-wing hate etc". The Sheriff never said that.

You guys are hilarious. First, you've crucified the Sheriff for something he never said. Then, you're trying to crucify others. I've seen some write that the right wing, the Tea Party, etc. are to blame (which I agree is ridiculous) You guys apparently haven't seen them. You're going after people who haven't said that.

How about we stop that vitriolic rhetoric, falsely accusing people of saying things they didn't say?

Because, to quote Doreen, "Hateful rhetoric on either side of the political spectrum will not be tolerated by anyone who isn't a political zealot." I'm really not into tolerating false, hateful rhetoric.

This is going to be a really hard concept for some to grasp, I think: saying there is hateful rhetoric, then describing words you would say are hateful, and discussing the existence of "vitriolic rhetoric", is not the same thing as directly blaming someone in particular's talk for inciting killing.

There have been a couple of people I've seen on blogs who have said, directly, things like "Sarah Palin is responsible for this, the Tea Party is responsible for this". Nobody here has posted any of that, though. I've never read anybody "respected" in the news say that.

Listing things real people have actually said in public, then calling that hateful rhetoric, is exactly that - but it is not the same thing as accusing someone of being responsible for murder.

There shouldn't be violent rhetoric in politics. By anybody. That's a valid discussion to have. So stop interrupting it by saying, "You're talking about me, aren't you!" and throwing a damn temper tantrum, when nobody has mentioned you by name.

Geesh, if you are feeling THAT GUILTY, that your first response to a mass murder is to sanitize your website (Sarah Palin) then maybe you should consider what you say in public?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

So where is the part where he says, "Sarah, Glenn, the Tea Party, the right wing, conservatives hold some of the blame for this" ??

Where is it? Did you skip posting that "holy grail" ?

As Pima County Sheriff Clarence W. Dupnik stated, Arizona has become “a Mecca for prejudice and bigotry,” a cauldron of Tea Party anger, right-wing hate groups and anti-immigrant posturing.

The Sheriff only said the highlighted quote part. I posted the videos and that entire direct quote already in this thread. The speaker added the reference to "anger, right-wing hate etc". The Sheriff never said that.

You guys are hilarious. First, you've crucified the Sheriff for something he never said. Then, you're trying to crucify others. I've seen some write that the right wing, the Tea Party, etc. are to blame (which I agree is ridiculous) You guys apparently haven't seen them. You're going after people who haven't said that.

How about we stop that vitriolic rhetoric, falsely accusing people of saying things they didn't say?

You asked for proof some major media outlet is blaming the right. I quote an op-ed piece from a former Dem candidate for President and current Rev., Journalist, Adulterer and father of a bastard child saying Arizona is "a cauldron of Tea Party anger, right-wing hate groups and anti-immigrant posturing" and I'm saying things he didn't say. BTW this is the first time I've quoted the Sheriff but it's hilarious that when it suits you I'm one of 'you guys' and thus am misquoted.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

You asked for proof some major media outlet is blaming the right. I quote an op-ed piece from a former Dem candidate for President and current Rev., Journalist, Adulterer and father of a bastard child saying Arizona is "a cauldron of Tea Party anger, right-wing hate groups and anti-immigrant posturing" and I'm saying things he didn't say. BTW this is the first time I've quoted the Sheriff but it's hilarious that when it suits you I'm one of 'you guys' and thus am misquoted.

Dell, we are talking about "blaming the right for the murders" directly. Not blaming the right for nasty talk. And no, I'm not asking for "proof" - I've read it! I need no proof. Some very few, and not the mainstream, and not the Sheriff, have indeed blamed the right directly for the murders - that some aspects of the right have "blood on their hands", type of thing. "Sarah Palin, this is all your fault" type of thing.

You guys haven't yet quoted anyone of those people who have said it, and you've (the general you) have false and viciously attacked people, like the Sheriff, who have not said that.

That's the very definition of "hateful rhetoric" right there.

I posted the Sheriff's real quote here. I've posted the video here. All you had to do is click to see what the Sheriff really said. Here it is again, because you are too effing lazy or stupid to do it yourself:

The Sheriff said: "When you look at unbalanced people, how they respond to the vitriol that comes out of certain mouths about tearing down the government. The anger, the hatred, the bigotry that goes on in this country is getting to be outrageous. And unfortunately, Arizona I think has become sort of the capital. We have become the mecca for prejudice and bigotry."

And here's the video of him talking: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwhOE...eature=related

So yes, the quoted part belongs to the Sheriff, the addition of Azizona being, a "cauldron of Tea Party anger, right-wing hate groups and anti-immigrant posturing." must be Jacksons'.

So, Jackson (not the Sheriff, he never said that) says that Arizona is a "cauldron of Tea Party anger, right-wing hate groups, and anti-immigrant posturing".

Is that saying those groups are responsible for the murders? No. Where does he say "they must hold blame" or something similar? It only says that Jackson thinks Arizona has alot of nasty rhetoric going on.

If you want to talk about the validity of Arizona being a "cauldron of Tea Party anger, right-wing hate groups, and anti-immigrant posturing", that's a valid discussion to have. But I don't see anywhere Jackson has laid the blame for the killer's actions upon those groups. Which is what you are maintaining.

Geesh, here, I'll do your proof for you, because you can't seem to find it: the title of the article is "hate speech lit blaze in Arizona". But the article fails to flesh that out and make the direct connection or accusation. All Jackson ends up really saying is that there's alot of nasty talk in Arizona. Yes, I think there is. Do you?

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by jms62

I guess you just got it... Seriously now.. What is your IQ ?

I got my degree while in the military. Im confident my IQ is higher than your IQ is. Unlike you my brain is bigger than a pea. I dont sit on my computer all day like you do and spent it at this site.

[Riot]

So let's interrupt the famous right wing hysteria generator, and talk about the real problem: the right wing, conservative, tea party, Sarah-Glenn-Sean-Sharon factions are really upset people have called out their nasty and hate-filled talk of the past two years as being, well, "nasty". And "hate-filled" at times. And referring to violence. And guns. And armies. And enemies. In reference to democratic politics and voting and elections.

And those people pointing out nasty talk are controlling the conversation now, because 20 people were just shot, and 6 died, and the country is outraged. And there's a big fear on the part of the nasty talkers that outrage may fall right on those that like and do the nasty talk. And they may suffer at future elections. So the nasty talkers have puffed themselves up into full-screaming-victim mode ("You're accusing me of killing people, that's wrong!") even though nobody has actually done that, to try and deflect the attention from their nasty talk Discuss.

It's all in your head.

[ArlJim78]

This sherriff out there making all the noise about talk radio, and angry rhetoric should be relieved of duty. Uncle Fester had called in several death threats, but no action was taken by the sheriff. It looks to me like his department is to blame for not following up on leads that would have prevented this guy from obtaining a gun.

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

This sherriff out there making all the noise about talk radio, and angry rhetoric should be relieved of duty. Uncle Fester had called in several death threats, but no action was taken by the sheriff. It looks to me like his department is to blame for not following up on leads that would have prevented this guy from obtaining a gun.

Well he was liste..investigating Rush Limbaugh.