AZ Congresswoman in critical condition after shooting

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by Riot

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Nope. He didn't.

I watched every press conference Saturday, including watching live the first one he gave, where he made the original statement (which I quoted in the previous post) and I never heard him say that.

I have never seen any replay quote of the Sheriff saying that on any news program. Have you?

Don't you think if he really said that, they would be replaying that clip all over the news?

They can't replay anything. Because he never said it.

If he did say it, please provide a direct quote or video to support your contention, and I'll gladly correct my thinking that statement is false.

He said that Saturday. That he did not know what caused the gunman to do it, he did not know if politics had anything to do with it, but he thinks that the violent rhetoric has gotten out of hand.

Nonsensical wildazz guess with no facts in evidence. He's talked about her office being damaged. He talked about threats she'd had and the resolution of those. He said she didn't routinely have police at her Congress On Your Corner events (which she does quite regularly).

It makes more sense that he said the rhetoric statement because - first, it's true - that he's listened to the angry rhetoric for the past few years for all elected officials down there, people threatening others, people getting angry,healthcare, immigration (terribly nasty down there), saw the Judge have to have US Marshalls to protect him a while back, heard the threats against her, and then a Congresswoman he knows gets blown away in a mass murder-attempted assassination in a Safeway parking lot.

Naw, the first thing you come up with is that there isn't really any violent rhetoric, it's all about a deliberately planned misdirection attempt to the press to cover his ass.

I'll take the more logical answer, myself.

Yup, he did - I saw it on Saturday and again tonight on Bill O'Reilly's The Factor. Can't find it on the internet, however. Must have gotten taken down because it's too incendiary.

Here's a reference to it - which I'm sure you'll find fault with.

http://www.examiner.com/political-bu...alk-radio-link

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

Yup, he did - I saw it on Saturday and again tonight on Bill O'Reilly's The Factor. Can't find it on the internet, however. Must have gotten taken down because it's too incendiary.

Here's a reference to it - which I'm sure you'll find fault with.

http://www.examiner.com/political-bu...alk-radio-link

"The comments by Sheriff Dupnik clearly blamed conservative talk radio for inspiring Loughner,"

That is the "proof"? Some guy saying so? Yeah. That's baloney.

All the major news orgs were at that press conference where the Sheriff allegedly said that, it was televised live.

And you're saying no news organization in the world has a copy of the video of the Sheriff saying that?

How can that be? They are playing other clips from that news conference.

All the talk on the Sunday morning news shows today - Fox News Sunday, Meet the Press, Face the Nation, etc - were about "the vitriolic conversation", and nobody televises that clip?

Even Fox News doesn't televise any clip of the Sheriff saying that?

That's because he never said it. Period.

But, as Brian pointed out, the right wing hysteria machine immediately took off defending themselves. Against words that didn't mention them directly. Very telling.

Stop blaming the Sheriff for something he never said.

[Riot]

A quick search of YouTube finds multiple video copies of the Sheriffs first press conference.

This (part 2 of a 4 part download) contains the applicable quotes, starting about 1:29. The entire press conference is here.

If someone can find anywhere where he specifically calls out conservatives, or the right wing, please point it out. He does talk about radio and some television, but never mentions right wing or conservative.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwhOE...eature=related

And here's the part where he says we in the US should do some soul-searching regarding our vitriolic talk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccY9l...eature=related

But nowhere does he talk specifically about conservatives or the right wing.

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by Riot

A quick search of YouTube finds multiple video copies of the Sheriffs first press conference.

This (part 2 of a 4 part download) contains the applicable quotes, starting about 1:29. The entire press conference is here.

If someone can find anywhere where he specifically calls out conservatives, or the right wing, please point it out. He does talk about radio and some television, but never mentions right wing or conservative.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwhOE...eature=related

And here's the part where he says we in the US should do some soul-searching regarding our vitriolic talk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccY9l...eature=related

But nowhere does he talk specifically about conservatives or the right wing.

Try these -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJlJmtqPVK0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slmQDzMpBM0

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

Try these -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJlJmtqPVK0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slmQDzMpBM0

Nice work PD - Facts Matter
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[Riot]

Originally Posted by geeker2

Nice work PD - Facts Matter

Except her "facts" have nothing whatsoever to do with what she said happened. How is that in any way "nice work"?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

Try these -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJlJmtqPVK0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slmQDzMpBM0

Sorry Doreen. What you post doesn't support your contention at all.

You - and the right wing hysteria machine - said the Sheriff originally called out right wing/conservatives. That's your excuse for attacking him. He did not. That's clear on the tapes of the press conference.

The Sheriff never, in his press conference, called out the right or conservatives, did he?

Now, later - after the right wing hysterics have been screaming for 24 hours that he called them out when he didn't - he's on talk shows talking about how it doesn't surprise him the right wing hysteria machine ginned itself up over him simply talking about vitriolic talk in a general way.

It's laughable. That's exactly what happened. As Brian pointed out. As we are pointing out now. You've now proved my point for me. Thanks

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by Riot

Sorry Doreen. What you post doesn't support your contention at all.

You - and the right wing hysteria machine - said the Sheriff originally called out right wing/conservatives. That's your excuse for attacking him. He did not. That's clear on the tapes of the press conference.

The Sheriff never, in his press conference, called out the right or conservatives, did he?

Now, later - after the right wing hysterics have been screaming for 24 hours that he called them out when he didn't - he's on talk shows talking about how it doesn't surprise him the right wing hysteria machine ginned itself up over him simply talking about vitriolic talk in a general way.

It's laughable. That's exactly what happened. As Brian pointed out. As we are pointing out now. You've now proved my point for me. Thanks

If he wasn't talking about conservative talk radio and tv, just exactly who was he talking about?

It's time to stop the SPIN. Sheriff Clarence should not be using his job to be making political statements, and he shouldn't be placing blame on anyone before the facts are in. He's the catalyst that started all this, "You're to blame. No, you're to blame." nonsense. It accomplishes nothing except to make the chasm wider between the parties.

Nothing has been stated by Sharon Angle or Sarah Palin that hasn't been stated by members of both political parties in their campaign rhetoric. Now, all of a sudden - rhetoric is at fault for this nut job's actions.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by geeker2

Nice work PD - Facts Matter

Except her "facts" have nothing whatsoever to do with what she said happened. How is that in any way "nice work"?

There is this concept called "reality". When people literally do not say something, simply insisting that they did say something doesn't make it true.

Then posting a video of the person at a later date, still not saying it , but talking about how YOU said they did, doesn't make it true, either, no matter how hard one closes their eyes and hopes it does.

Face it: the Sheriff brought up vitriolic talk in general, the far right wing immediately and defensively went over the edge attacking him and the left. Exactly as Brian said. Again. Predictably. It's what they do.

How many "liberal" media outlets actually, truely blamed someone on the right? Not very many. Not any in the major media.

Simply talking about the existence of Sarah's crosshair PAC ad (even Bill O'Reilly called it "lame", but no more) isn't "blaming". Talking about Sharron Angles' statement on second amendment remedies isn't "blame", it's discussing her talk. Showing images of the idiots that carried guns to political rallies isn't blaming. It's talking about the subject the Sheriff brought up, vitriolic rhetoric.

So let's talk about what you guys are screaming about. Have some said Beck, etc are indeed to blame for this? Yes. Very few. In fact, so few, you guys should feel free to quote them and name them here. They are idiots to directly blame specific people's talk with the killer, there simply isn't any indication of that now.

In fact, there are plenty of quotes from people "on the left" agreeing with you, agreeing with that, saying nobody's talk on the national scene can possibly be blamed for the acts of a madman. Hey, the Sheriff even said that in the original press conference.

Feel free to be turning your outrage on them - don't turn it on people that haven't said it, and are only trying to talk about the general vitriol out there. Like the Sheriff and the vast majority of the media.

[Riot]

If he wasn't talking about conservative talk radio and tv, just exactly who was he talking about?

The Sheriff originally - in the press conference - talked generally about those who spew vitriolic rhetoric. He never mentioned right or conservative.

But the ultra right wing conservative machine picked up that shoe, said it fits them perfectly, and how dare he!

Exactly as Brian said - nobody accused them, but boy, they sure started defending themselves

Those who are lying and misspeaking about what the Sheriff said - and it's a whole lot - have the moral and ethical responsibility to correct their public misstatements.

What he's talking about in the videos you posted from the next days are simply acknowledging that yes, the right wing sure got riled up! True, isn't it?

It's time to stop the SPIN. Sheriff Clarence should not be using his job to be making political statements, and he shouldn't be placing blame on anyone before the facts are in.

And here you perpetuate the falsehood. You simply keep stating what has been proven isn't true. He never placed blame on anyone in his press conference. He made no political statement. Your statement is completely false. STOP SPINNING, Doreen.

He's the catalyst that started all this, "You're to blame. No, you're to blame." nonsense.

No, the right wing hysteria machine did that. The Sheriff never placed blame. The press conference is posted here - you can't quote where he did. Because it didn't happen.

It accomplishes nothing except to make the chasm wider between the parties.

Then stop doing it. Stop saying things that are not true.

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by Riot

Sorry Doreen. What you post doesn't support your contention at all.

You - and the right wing hysteria machine - said the Sheriff originally called out right wing/conservatives. That's your excuse for attacking him. He did not. That's clear on the tapes of the press conference.

The Sheriff never, in his press conference, called out the right or conservatives, did he?

Now, later - after the right wing hysterics have been screaming for 24 hours that he called them out when he didn't - he's on talk shows talking about how it doesn't surprise him the right wing hysteria machine ginned itself up over him simply talking about vitriolic talk in a general way.

It's laughable. That's exactly what happened. As Brian pointed out. As we are pointing out now. You've now proved my point for me. Thanks

I get it now.

He didn't believe the right was the issue until after he did the press conference.

Then after talking to the media - he then made up his mind.


I can see that.






I had a gay friend -she wasn't gay until she came out and told everyone.


I can see that.