The Boss has passed.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Crown@club

........................Yrs.........W-L.........ERA.......CG........SHO........ Whip
Don Sutton 23.....324-256...... 3.26...... 178....... 58......... 1.1425
Catfish Hunter 15.....224-166...... 3.26...... 181....... 42......... 1.1342
Jim Bunning 17.....224-184...... 3.27...... 151....... 40......... 1.1789
Clark Griffith 21.....237-146...... 3.31...... 337....... 22......... 1.3127
Fergie Jenkins 19.....284-226...... 3.34...... 267....... 49......... 1.1419
Lefty Gomez 14.....189-102...... 3.34...... 173....... 28......... 1.3524
Phil Niekro 24.....318-274...... 3.35...... 245....... 45......... 1.2681
Robin Roberts 19.....286-245...... 3.41...... 305....... 45......... 1.1697
Burleigh Grimes 19.....270-212...... 3.53...... 314....... 35......... 1.3653
Early Wynn 23.....300-244...... 3.54...... 290....... 49......... 1.3291
Waite Hoyt 21.....237-182...... 3.59...... 226....... 26......... 1.3397
Jesse Haines 19.....210-158...... 3.64...... 208....... 24......... 1.3498
Ted Lyons 21.....260-230...... 3.67...... 356....... 27......... 1.3482
Red Ruffing HOF 22.....273-225...... 3.8........ 335....... 45......... 1.3409

Took Drysdale and Perry out as I figure they are better pitchers. I would put Catfish on par with Sutton. Better than the POS Bunning. Better than Jenkins, Niekro, Robin Roberts.

But I look at this and wonder how in the heck guys like Clark Griffith, Lefty Gomez, Burleigh Grimes, Waite Hoyt, Jessie Haines, Ted Lyons and Red Ruffing are in the HOF?

I guess Early Wynn is in because of the magical number of 300 Wins.

I dont know why you would think Drysdale and Perry were so much better. Drysdale pitched right in the middle of the teeth of the best pitchers era in 60 years and his numbers are hardly better than a lot of these guys even with that. Perry had a lot of good years abut had a lot of pretty average years as well.

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I dont know why you would think Drysdale and Perry were so much better. Drysdale pitched right in the middle of the teeth of the best pitchers era in 60 years and his numbers are hardly better than a lot of these guys even with that. Perry had a lot of good years abut had a lot of pretty average years as well.

I was just looking at pure numbers standpoint.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Crown@club

I was just looking at pure numbers standpoint.

Interesting stat on Drysdale. In 1965 he hit .300 with 7 HR's and 19 RBI's in 130 ab's. The team leader in HR's that season hit 12 and drysdale hit only 1 fewer HR than the starting 1st baseman, catcher, 2 less than the right fielder, and 3 more than the 3rd baseman. The Dodgers won the World series that year.


In his other 14 seasons he hit over .200 only once (1958) when he hit .227 with 7 HR's. He was a lifetime .186 hitter.

[horseofcourse]

Just another Cleveland sob story. Of course a native Clevelander, Steinbrenner was sure he had the Indians bought in 1971, but then owner Vernon Stouffer made a last second behind the scenes sale to Nick Miletti. Two years later Steinbrenner bought the Yankees for over a million dollars less than what the Indians were sold for two years earlier. What could have been!!

[slotdirt]

With Cleveland's luck, they would have traded for Mark Fidrych and signed JR Richard to a long-term deal, leaving Steinbrenner and the team in ruins by 1983. Things happen for a reason, I suppose.

[Bigsmc]

Who is in the booth with Keith Jackson and Howard Cosell calling the ALCS game that is on Classic right now?

*Edit* It's Reggie Jackson.