The Boss has passed.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Not to mention that he exploited the geographical advantage to the extreme wherein the balance of the sport was forever changed resulting in the big market/small market mess that baseball is in now.

Perhaps that is "good business" for him and the Yankees but it didn't result in an overall positive for the sport and as I said in a previous post, his own meddlesome behavior prevented things from being a whole lot worse.

What we want for sports is usually not exactly what would we want for society in general but socialism in leagues like the NFL and the NBA works a whole lot better for the sport and all the teams than it does in baseball. The mismanagement of the Yankees for most of the 80's and the early part of the 90's prevented them from dominating for much longer than they should have coming out of the 70's and lulled baseball into thinking that not sharing virtually all revenues would not result in the mess that it became.

chuck you can talk about all this domination in the late 90's and early part of this century that you want , but , if you take Rivera out of the equation and say put him on the red sox or the braves , the yankees don't have 4 rings in 5 years , it's really quite that simple how much that one player was worth for the yankees and when he goes in a few years let's see how much they win in the big spots in the playoffs when they have a lead going into the 8th inning

football is the #1 sport in america there is no question about that , 16 games vs 162 games has a lot to do with that part of the equation

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by gales0678

chuck you can talk about all this domination in the late 90's and early part of this century that you want , but , if you take Rivera out of the equation and say put him on the red sox or the braves , the yankees don't have 4 rings in 5 years , it's really quite that simple how much that one player was worth for the yankees and when he goes in a few years let's see how much they win in the big spots in the playoffs when they have a lead going into the 8th inning

football is the #1 sport in america there is no question about that , 16 games vs 162 games has a lot to do with that part of the equation

You arent going to get it so just go back to WFAN.

So football became the number one sport because of the number of games played? Why did it take so long then?

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You arent going to get it so just go back to WFAN.

So football became the number one sport because of the number of games played? Why did it take so long then?

too many night games killed baseball

there were more days games in the 50's and 60's

[slotdirt]

Luis Tiant has better numbers than Catfish Hunter. Sorry, no plaque for him in Hall of Very Good. Likewise Jim Kaat. Bert Blyleven was five times the pitcher Jim Hunter was, yet he's barely getting anywhere near the requisite vote for enshrinement.

Let's just face facts that because Hunter was a Yankee during some very good seasons in the late 70's (not unlike Waite Hoyt and others who were inducted as sort of a team honor from those awesome 20's teams), he is in the Hall of Fame. There's really no other logical reason to have included him, great three or four seasons or not. I'm really most surprised Roger Maris never saw the Hall as his career arc really wasn't much different as a hitter than Hunter's was as a pitcher.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Luis Tiant has better numbers than Catfish Hunter. Sorry, no plaque for him in Hall of Very Good. Likewise Jim Kaat. Bert Blyleven was five times the pitcher Jim Hunter was, yet he's barely getting anywhere near the requisite vote for enshrinement.

Let's just face facts that because Hunter was a Yankee during some very good seasons in the late 70's (not unlike Waite Hoyt and others who were inducted as sort of a team honor from those awesome 20's teams), he is in the Hall of Fame. There's really no other logical reason to have included him, great three or four seasons or not. I'm really most surprised Roger Maris never saw the Hall as his career arc really wasn't much different as a hitter than Hunter's was as a pitcher.

I really don't think that hunter's election had anything to do with his yankee career. If anything those were his worst years and lead people like you to detract from his overall career. He was the best pitcher on the best team in baseball, one that won three WS in a row in a very controversial manner. He won 20 games 5 times in a row during that time. He was a very good "clutch" ie playoff pitcher.

Catfish Hunter is hardly the worst player in the hall of Fame. He wasnt far off from winning 4 Cy Youngs in a row. You want to kill him because his career was much shorter than a lot of other HoF pitchers and hence the few not so great years weigh his numbers down. But he was consistently great for 10 years. That's HoF worthy. Explain Rick Ferrell.

[slotdirt]

Ferrell was Veterans Committee. Those selections shouldn't even count since that was basically authorized cronyism for the first 50 or so years it was in existence. You can't compare that with the writers vote, where I'd put Hunter in a group with Jim Rice and Andre Dawson for worst overall selections.

The Veterans Committee also stuck Tinkers-Evers-Chance in the HOF as well as such luminaries as the aforementioned Roger Breshnaham in Cooperstown.

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Ferrell was Veterans Committee. Those selections shouldn't even count since that was basically authorized cronyism for the first 50 or so years it was in existence. You can't compare that with the writers vote, where I'd put Hunter in a group with Jim Rice and Andre Dawson for worst overall selections.

The Veterans Committee also stuck Tinkers-Evers-Chance in the HOF as well as such luminaries as the aforementioned Roger Breshnaham in Cooperstown.

Now there's a condition?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by gales0678

too many night games killed baseball

there were more days games in the 50's and 60's

This is what you are going to hang your hat on?

You must be pulling my leg...

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

This is what you are going to hang your hat on?

You must be pulling my leg...

chuck if you don't think the game has grown over the last 30 -35 yrs , you are mistaken

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by gales0678

chuck if you don't think the game has grown over the last 30 -35 yrs , you are mistaken

Dude what are you talking about? On one hand you say that night games killed the game and in the next post you say the game has grown?


All sports have grown in the last 35 years except boxing and horseracing.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Dude what are you talking about? On one hand you say that night games killed the game and in the next post you say the game has grown?


All sports have grown in the last 35 years except boxing and horseracing.

the night games have killed it vs football , all the football games are during the day , kids can't stay up and watch all 162 games for all 9 innings

football has grown better than baseball , but baseball has still grown