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[gales0678]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

lets not forget the players acquired in trades:

Paul O'neill for Roberto Kelly (now that was a trade!)

Jeff Neilsen and Tino for kids (russ springer and sterling hitchcock?)

yes

see scuds likes to hone in on free agents and how championships were bought

but why doesn't he bring up the 80's or between 01-08

giambi , mussina , kevin brown , RJ - all were hired guns and went ringless , im sure i'm leaving others out

in the 80's you had winfield , henderson, whitson, kemp , smalley , jack clark etc etc etc

spending $$$$ doesn't guarantee anything

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by gales0678

yes

see scuds likes to hone in on free agents and how championships were bought

but why doesn't he bring up the 80's or between 01-08

giambi , mussina , kevin brown , RJ - all were hired guns and went ringless , im sure i'm leaving others out

in the 80's you had winfield , henderson, whitson, kemp , smalley , jack clark etc etc etc

spending $$$$ doesn't guarantee anything

So what you are saying is that because they spent the money poorly (usually at the behest of George) that it isn't an advantage to have a enormous financial advantage? Or that the only reason that the homegrown talent was allowed to develop was because George was suspended? Or that they were able to keep that homegrown talent because there was no restriction to how much they could continue to pay them and no other big fish to snatch them away? Or that outside of Cano, Hughes and Gardner that there are virtually no other "homegrown" impact players on the current roster? That they will probably be signing Carl Crawford and Cliff Lee in the off season to $300 million dollars worth of deals?

The yankees are actually burdened by all the money they spend in Gales mind.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

So what you are saying is that because they spent the money poorly (usually at the behest of George) that it isn't an advantage to have a enormous financial advantage? Or that the only reason that the homegrown talent was allowed to develop was because George was suspended? Or that they were able to keep that homegrown talent because there was no restriction to how much they could continue to pay them and no other big fish to snatch them away? Or that outside of Cano, Hughes and Gardner that there are virtually no other "homegrown" impact players on the current roster? That they will probably be signing Carl Crawford and Cliff Lee in the off season to $300 million dollars worth of deals?

The yankees are actually burdened by all the money they spend in Gales mind.

spending $$$$ doesn't guarantee anything chuck , players succeed and players fail

look at the mets , since 1977 , they have spent more than 95% of the other clubs and have 1 ring to show for it , the twins in that same time peroid have 2

what should have george and now hal done with the $$$$ , you have the most recognizable brand in sports , should they have just hoarded the $$$ over the years and not re-invested it in the brand , you and i both know if they didn't do that the brand wouldn't be as valuable today

companies take write offs all the time on failed projects , the yankees are no different

the landscape is the landscape chuck you can't fault the strong for wanting to get stronger

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[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by gales0678

spending $$$$ doesn't guarantee anything chuck , players succeed and players fail

look at the mets , since 1977 , they have spent more than 95% of the other clubs and have 1 ring to show for it , the twins in that same time peroid have 2

what should have george and now hal done with the $$$$ , you have the most recognizable brand in sports , should they have just hoarded the $$$ over the years and not re-invested it in the brand , you and i both know if they didn't do that the brand wouldn't be as valuable today

companies take write offs all the time on failed projects , the yankees are no different

the landscape is the landscape chuck you can't fault the strong for wanting to get stronger

Again, having an huge financial advantage is not a detriment. The Yankees are not like "other businesses". They are part of a special club that has been granted anti-trust exemptions by the US Congress. What they do in reinvesting into the team is not the issue. The issue is the system and how they are allowed to exploit it. The fact that George's own ineptness kept them from winning those 20 years doesnt "prove" money isnt everything.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Again, having an huge financial advantage is not a detriment. The Yankees are not like "other businesses". They are part of a special club that has been granted anti-trust exemptions by the US Congress. What they do in reinvesting into the team is not the issue. The issue is the system and how they are allowed to exploit it. The fact that George's own ineptness kept them from winning those 20 years doesnt "prove" money isnt everything.

This sentence isn't logically sound. If the Yankees, who had all the money, couldn't overcome George's "ineptness", wouldn't that indeed prove that money is isn't "everything"...at least as it pertains to this discussion?

If money is everything, as it seems that you are contending, wouldn't they have won despite george's poor decisions?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

This sentence isn't logically sound. If the Yankees, who had all the money, couldn't overcome George's "ineptness", wouldn't that indeed prove that money is isn't "everything"...at least as it pertains to this discussion?

If money is everything, as it seems that you are contending, wouldn't they have won despite george's poor decisions?

LOL

Semantics and nit picking. You know exactly what I mean. You can't argue that they don't have a huge advantage because George was an idiot and fired his management staff on a regular basis. Given competent management during that period they certainly would have had a much greater chance to succeed than any other team. George's mismanagement doesnt discount that.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

LOL

Semantics and nit picking. You know exactly what I mean. You can't argue that they don't have a huge advantage because George was an idiot and fired his management staff on a regular basis. Given competent management during that period they certainly would have had a much greater chance to succeed than any other team. George's mismanagement doesnt discount that.

I actually agree if your point is that in many ways George hurt the yankees more than he helped. If your contention is that it is simply about outspending everyone else, that simply isn't true.

The yankees have to have a plan just like everyone else. They have a huge advantage with the monopoly money but they still have to put the hotels in the right places.

On another note, I can listen when a Royals fan or even a Rays fan wants to bitch about the Yanks spending money. But when I hear it from a Red Sox or Mets fan...