The Boss has passed.

[slotdirt]

ERA+ of 104, as in his career ERA was barely above league average. A pock on the HOF admission process. Only Jim Rice being admitted can compare to Hunter's mediocre resume.

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Cannon, have you ever studied the wins above replacement metric? It is supposed to very roughly determine a value of a particular player/pitcher in relation to a "replacement," i.e., a guy off the scrap heap making a spot start or something of the like. Care to know where Catfish Hunter ranks all time among pitchers in the WAR logic?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Cannon, have you ever studied the wins above replacement metric? It is supposed to very roughly determine a value of a particular player/pitcher in relation to a "replacement," i.e., a guy off the scrap heap making a spot start or something of the like. Care to know where Catfish Hunter ranks all time among pitchers in the WAR logic?

Yes and wins above replacement is much more accurate when comparing hitters

[slotdirt]

That's fine. It's not inaccurate when comparing pitchers, and Catfish Hunter is nestled right in between Doyle Alexander, John Tudor, and Bruce Hurst at 195 all time in WAR for pitchers.

You know who Hunter's career compares favorably to? Vida Blue. Where's his HOF plaque?

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

That's fine. It's not inaccurate when comparing pitchers, and Catfish Hunter is nestled right in between Doyle Alexander, John Tudor, and Bruce Hurst at 195 all time in WAR for pitchers.

You know who Hunter's career compares favorably to? Vida Blue. Where's his HOF plaque?

You can't discount Hunters great years pitching for the best team(it helps because the games are perceived as more important), in the biggest spots. He not only was outstanding during the rise of the A's but he was also an accomplished playoff pitcher which somehow counts more to voters. The fact that his high was so high, though brief, gets him in. If his innings had been managed more prudently he almost assuredly would have had a longer and more sucessful career. Compare his usage with Don Sutton's during the same era. he didnt just go from being great (and he was great 71-74) to being not so great for no reason. He probably should have not even been pitching the last 2 years.

The fact that Hunter played under two of the most notorious owners in history shouldnt be lost on anyone either. Again I am not saying that he is one of the top 30 pitchers of all time.

Vida Blue was Gooden before Gooden was Gooden. Another mismanaged career.

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

ERA+ of 104, as in his career ERA was barely above league average. A pock on the HOF admission process. Only Jim Rice being admitted can compare to Hunter's mediocre resume.

LOL

Thats all you can come up with? What about the fact that his 1st 2 seasons when he was a 19 and 20 year old pitching for a terrible team came during the period before the mound was lowered which negatively effects his overall ERA+? His 21 through 30 years which is what he was elected based on his ERA+ was 114. Those 10 years were outstanding.

He isnt even the worst A's pitcher elected. You would have a much better case against Rollie Fingers.