NFL Draft...

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

In the NFL there is a hard cap and floor. Last year it was 128 million and the floor was 87.5% of that number. The cap is based upon the per team revenues. Extra benefits above the cap are capped at $12 million. So basically the teams HAVE to spend a certain amount on their payroll and CANT spend more than a certain amount all of which is based on guaranteed shared revenue. So how exactly does an owners individual wealth matter when signing FA's?

Now the extra's like stadium deals, payroll for coaches and staff, facilities, etc can no doubt be affected by an owners wealth but I dont see how an owners individual wealth matters in matters of free agency. It is really the main reason why the NFL is such a competitive league and there arent any FL marlins, just mismanaged teams (Redskins)

Speaking of the skins, they practically gave away campbell. A fourth rounder, two years from now, for him. Was that the best they could do??

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

Speaking of the skins, they practically gave away campbell. A fourth rounder, two years from now, for him. Was that the best they could do??

I thought that was an extremely generous offer

Originally Posted by Danzig

Speaking of the skins, they practically gave away campbell. A fourth rounder, two years from now, for him. Was that the best they could do??

Yeah he sucks.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Yeah he sucks.

true..and yet they thought he was a step up from jamarcus-which he is. just surprised that they'd take a 4th rounder for him, two years from now. but i think they'd have taken a couple prizes from cracker jack boxes, they just wanted rid of him.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

true..and yet they thought he was a step up from jamarcus-which he is. just surprised that they'd take a 4th rounder for him, two years from now. but i think they'd have taken a couple prizes from cracker jack boxes, they just wanted rid of him.

I was serious about thinking that was pretty good for him. Didnt think they would get anything better than a 6th or 7th round pick for him or simply be forced to release him. There are lots of 4th round picks playing in the NFL that are a whole lot better at their position than Jason Campbell is at his. He really is better suited as a backup though with the raiders he is like Johnny U compared to what was taking snaps under center last year.

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I was serious about thinking that was pretty good for him. Didnt think they would get anything better than a 6th or 7th round pick for him or simply be forced to release him. There are lots of 4th round picks playing in the NFL that are a whole lot better at their position than Jason Campbell is at his. He really is better suited as a backup though with the raiders he is like Johnny U compared to what was taking snaps under center last year.

I thought the Skins a$$ raped the Raiders on that trade, and they are usually the ones on the other end of the transaction prism. 4th and 5th rounders are not picks to scoff at, they are the ones that the Eagles usually hit on. They are not a 'bag of chips' or whatever Ateam described as giving up for Santonio Holmes.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

I thought the Skins a$$ raped the Raiders on that trade, and they are usually the ones on the other end of the transaction prism. 4th and 5th rounders are not picks to scoff at, they are the ones that the Eagles usually hit on. They are not a 'bag of chips' or whatever Ateam described as giving up for Santonio Holmes.

Give me a f'n break. What % of 4th rounders and above become starters? 25%? 30%? The Jets got a Super Bowl MVP for a guy who probably has a 15-20% chance to start. Draft picks after the 1st round are incredibly overvalued. Pittsburgh selected a guy named Stevenson Sylvester with the Jets' fifth round pick. Santonio Holmes for Stevenson Sylvester. Even if Sylvester becomes a starter, what's the chance he becomes as valuable as Holmes? 5% at best?

This isn't a rip on the Steelers, but spare me the "4th and 5th rounders are gold!" rhetoric.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Give me a f'n break. What % of 4th rounders and above become starters? 25%? 30%? The Jets got a Super Bowl MVP for a guy who probably has a 15-20% chance to start. Draft picks after the 1st round are incredibly overvalued. Pittsburgh selected a guy named Stevenson Sylvester with the Jets' fifth round pick. Santonio Holmes for Stevenson Sylvester. Even if Sylvester becomes a starter, what's the chance he becomes as valuable as Holmes? 5% at best?

This isn't a rip on the Steelers, but spare me the "4th and 5th rounders are gold!" rhetoric.

What is with the Super bowl MVP stuff? Dexter jackson was the Super Bowl MVP too. Holmes is a good WR but no one is confusing him with Jerry Rice

I think you are mistaken about 4th/5th rd draft picks being overvalued. Not only are there a ton of pro bowl level players drafted there (Holmes hasnt been a pro bowl level player btw) but teams get control of the players for a number of years and dont have to pay them much.

List of notable 4th/5th rounders in last 10 years (Pro Bowl selection)

Dante Hall (pb)
Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila (pb)
Shane Lechler (pb)
Rudi Johnson (pb)
Alex Brown (pb)
David Garrard (pb)
Randy McMichael
Scott Fujita
Rocky Bernard
Jonathan Goodwin (pb)
Bradie James
Terrance McGee (pb)
Asante Samuel (pb)
Robert Mathis (pb)
Mike Scifres (pb)
David Diehl (pb)
Dan Koppen (pb)
Shaun Phillips
Jerricho Cotchery
Nathan Vasher (pb)
Stacy Andrews
Jared Allen (pb)
Gibril Wilson
Micheal Turner (pb)
Kyle Orton
Marion Barber (pb)
Jerome Mathis (pb)
Brandon Jacobs
Kerry Rhodes
Darren Sproles
Chris Canty
Trent Cole (pb)
Owen Daniels (pb)
Max Jean-Giles
Jahri Evans (pb)
Leon Washington
Stephen Gostkowski (pb)
Brandon Marshall (pb)
Elvis Dumervil (pb)
Clint Session
Le'Ron McClain (pb)
William Gay
Brent Celek
Johnny Knox (pb)

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

I thought the Skins a$$ raped the Raiders on that trade, and they are usually the ones on the other end of the transaction prism. 4th and 5th rounders are not picks to scoff at, they are the ones that the Eagles usually hit on. They are not a 'bag of chips' or whatever Ateam described as giving up for Santonio Holmes.

I am with Joey on this one. In the Holmes case, it was literally a bag of chips in relationship to what they received. You have to look at the contract situation in this.

Holmes's contract is over after this year. They don't have to pay a signing bonus. There is no big potential cap hit. He is signed for 755k this year, the league minimum for a 5th year player!

755k and a 5th rounder for a 26 year old in his prime for 12 games and the playoffs? Thats not even a bag chips. Thats like a single pringle.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

755k and a 5th rounder for a 26 year old in his prime for 12 games and the playoffs? Thats not even a bag chips. Thats like a single pringle.

Like that is a given...