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[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I heard the Jets are going to draft a fork in the 7th round.

I don't like what they have done this offseason, I may be the only one. 8-8

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

I don't like what they have done this offseason, I may be the only one. 8-8

Yeah, what a bunch of shitheads, getting a top 10 corner and then a Super Bowl MVP for a half a bag of chips, then convincing a first ballot HOF RB to agree to being a backup. The Taylor move is anathema to us fans, but it's low risk high reward. What else? I don't like cutting Faneca, but other than that, all Tannenbaum's done this offseason is rob teams left and right for star players. How can you have a problem with that? Oh, I know, if you're on a high horse about "character" and other meaningless non-football cliches.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Yeah, what a bunch of shitheads, getting a top 10 corner and then a Super Bowl MVP for a half a bag of chips, then convincing a first ballot HOF RB to agree to being a backup. The Taylor move is anathema to us fans, but it's low risk high reward. What else? I don't like cutting Faneca, but other than that, all Tannenbaum's done this offseason is rob teams left and right for star players. How can you have a problem with that? Oh, I know, if you're on a high horse about "character" and other meaningless non-football cliches.

The jets didnt screw around thats for sure. I don't like Ladanian in place of Thomas Jones but the rest of the moves are hard to argue with.

How can anyone not love the Santonio Holmes deal? In his prime, signed for one year at pittsburgh money. If he sucks, you let him go. If he is what he has been, you have a topnotch receiver. There is NO RISK and incredibly high reward. This deal alone would be a successful offseason in my book. Throw in the other parts and it is a total slam dunk.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

The jets didnt screw around thats for sure. I don't like Ladanian in place of Thomas Jones but the rest of the moves are hard to argue with.

How can anyone not love the Santonio Holmes deal? In his prime, signed for one year at pittsburgh money. If he sucks, you let him go. If he is what he has been, you have a topnotch receiver. There is NO RISK and incredibly high reward. This deal alone would be a successful offseason in my book. Throw in the other parts and it is a total slam dunk.

The Steelers dont regularly just give away great players coming off of their best season.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The Steelers dont regularly just give away great players coming off of their best season.

I guess it just depends on what your definition of "great" is. Pittsburgh has a history of letting players go via free agency after really good seasons. They have to. The owners aren't extremely wealthy outside of the team (relatively speaking of course) and they can't throw signing bonuses around to keep all of their good players. Leon Searcy?

They knew that Holmes was gone after next season anyway. He was going to be out four games and with all of the trouble with him and Ben, he was the perfect "example". The Jets were in the right place at the right time and willing to take the plunge. The jets really have nothing to lose. Contract is up and if he doesnt perform they can simply cut him. Where is the risk?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I guess it just depends on what your definition of "great" is. Pittsburgh has a history of letting players go via free agency after really good seasons. They have to. The owners aren't extremely wealthy outside of the team (relatively speaking of course) and they can't throw signing bonuses around to keep all of their good players. Leon Searcy?

They knew that Holmes was gone after next season anyway. He was going to be out four games and with all of the trouble with him and Ben, he was the perfect "example". The Jets were in the right place at the right time and willing to take the plunge. The jets really have nothing to lose. Contract is up and if he doesnt perform they can simply cut him. Where is the risk?

The Rooneys are plenty wealthy but that doesnt really matter because there is a salary cap in football.

How many of those players were better after leaving? Because Holmes career has shown himself to be simply pretty good and that is with a better QB throwing him the ball.

The risk is that they are depending on a guy that is one step away from playing no games next year. You cant just pick up starting quality NFL receivers on the fly. I agree that in the short term he may be worth the risk. But it is a stretch to say the acquisition of Santonio holmes make the Jets offseason a huge success.

Of course I am biased but I am not worried that Cromartie or Holmes or the 2 washed up guys are going to make much of an impact. What I am worried about is the continuation of the jets mysterious spell over opposing kickers. That is a far greater weapon than any of the new guys.

[ateamstupid]

Guess I have to change my avatar.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The Rooneys are plenty wealthy but that doesnt really matter because there is a salary cap in football.

I didnt say the Rooneys weren't wealthy. They are wealthy but a vast majority of their wealth is in the team. Compared to the Dan Snyders of the world (see relativelyspeaking) they aren't in the same league.

I am extremely surprised by this statement. I don't mean to jump on you here but I don't think that is coming out the way you intended. Are you really saying that an owner's individual worth "really doesn't matter" in regards to signing free agents because of the salary cap?

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

The jets didnt screw around thats for sure. I don't like Ladanian in place of Thomas Jones but the rest of the moves are hard to argue with.

How can anyone not love the Santonio Holmes deal? In his prime, signed for one year at pittsburgh money. If he sucks, you let him go. If he is what he has been, you have a topnotch receiver. There is NO RISK and incredibly high reward. This deal alone would be a successful offseason in my book. Throw in the other parts and it is a total slam dunk.

They aren't looking for him to be TJ. Shonn Greene is probably going to be the man this year with Tomlinson coming off the bench. That being said, I thought that they should have kept TJ. But I think that they could have done a lot worse than Tomlinson as a backup. I believe he still has a little left in those legs.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

They aren't looking for him to be TJ. Shonn Greene is probably going to be the man this year with Tomlinson coming off the bench. That being said, I thought that they should have kept TJ. But I think that they could have done a lot worse than Tomlinson as a backup. I believe he still has a little left in those legs.

TJ didn't want to be a backup. I'd rather have Tomlinson as a willing backup than a disgruntled TJ. Also, people continually fail to recognize that TJ ran behind the best run blocking line in the NFL and Tomlinson ran behind the worst. That's going to make a huge difference, although the Jets' run blocking got weaker with the release of Faneca. Even at his best, TJ was always a product of his blockers. If he gets 3/4 of his '09 production with Kansas City, I'd be shocked.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

TJ didn't want to be a backup. I'd rather have Tomlinson as a willing backup than a disgruntled TJ. Also, people continually fail to recognize that TJ ran behind the best run blocking line in the NFL and Tomlinson ran behind the worst. That's going to make a huge difference, although the Jets' run blocking got weaker with the release of Faneca. Even at his best, TJ was always a product of his blockers. If he gets 3/4 of his '09 production with Kansas City, I'd be shocked.

You really think San Diego has the worst run blocking line in the league? I think LT had a lot to do with the lack of production in the running game.

TJ is about to go over 10k yards this year and has averaged 4 ypg for a career- a career that started with one of the worst teams in the league. I think TJ is more than just a product of the line although I do agree that the Jets line certainly didnt hurt.