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Old 08-12-2015, 05:06 PM
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Now joey, you know you're not allowed to voice an opinion, not having a vagina and all.
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Old 08-12-2015, 05:28 PM
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Now joey, you know you're not allowed to voice an opinion, not having a vagina and all.
Well, maybe Donald Trump is showing everybody that this political correctness bullsh*t has gone too far.

And besides, half of those 50 million casualties were female, and half were male, so we should all be able to render an opinion.
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Old 08-12-2015, 08:18 PM
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Well, maybe Donald Trump is showing everybody that this political correctness bullsh*t has gone too far.

And besides, half of those 50 million casualties were female, and half were male, so we should all be able to render an opinion.
anyone can have an opinion...
as for 'political correctness'... i didn't know being rude, crude and misogynistic was pc...or calling a whole populace criminals was pc.

but, since you're a big trump supporter--what are your thoughts on his remarks supporting planned parenthood????
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Old 08-13-2015, 01:37 PM
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and lookie-lou who engaged in fetal tissue research. of course, that was back when he was just a doctor. now that ben is a republican candidate, well...it's all different now.


http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/ben-carso...h-fetal-tissue

Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson is defending himself against charges of hypocrisy after a doctor pointed out that Carson, a neurosurgeon, performed research in 1992 on tissue from an aborted fetus.

But as physician Jen Gunter discovered and published on her blog Wednesday, Carson published a paper in 1992 that disclosed using tissue from ”two fetuses aborted in the ninth and 17th week of gestation.”

and another take:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate..._material.html

and another:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/p...ssue-research/

Carson said that there was “nothing that can’t be done without fetal tissue" and that babies aborted at 17 weeks were clearly human beings.

That inspired Dr. Jen Gunter to excavate a 1992 paper, co-authored by Carson, in which doctors described how they applied "human choroid plexus ependyma and nasal mucosa from two fetuses aborted in the ninth and 17th week of gestation." That, wrote Gunter, was quite the contrast from Carson's 2015 denunciation of fetal tissue research.

"Could he think his own research was useless?" Gunter asked. "If it was non contributory to the field why was it published? Maybe he forgot that he’d done the research on fetal tissue?"

good questions!

and then what of this:

Asked if fetal tissue research should be banned, or if it was immoral, Carson said no.
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Old 08-14-2015, 09:02 AM
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Statement from Dr. Ben Carson:

"I wanted to use our time tonight to directly deal with an attack launched on me today by the left and the media. A couple questions came in on this subject, so I want to address it head on.

Today I was accused by the press as having done research on fetal tissue. It simply is not true. The study they distributed by an anonymous source was done in 1992. The study was about tumors. I won’t bore you with the science. There were four doctors' names on the study. One was mine. I spent my life studying brain tumors and removing them. My only involvement in this study was supplying tumors that I had removed from my patients. Those tissue samples were compared to other tissue samples under a microscope. Pathologists do this work to gain clues about tumors.

I, nor any of the doctors involved with this study, had anything to do with abortion or what Planned Parenthood has been doing. Research hospitals across the country have microscope slides of all kinds of tissue to compare and contrast. The fetal tissue that was viewed in this study by others was not collected for this study.

I am sickened by the attack that I, after having spent my entire life caring for children, had something to do with aborting a child and harvesting organs. My medical specialty is the human brain and even I am amazed at what it is capable of doing. Please know these attacks are pathetic attempts to blunt our progress.

Now lets get to answering your questions."
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Old 08-14-2015, 09:13 AM
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Statement from Dr. Ben Carson:

"I wanted to use our time tonight to directly deal with an attack launched on me today by the left and the media. A couple questions came in on this subject, so I want to address it head on.

Today I was accused by the press as having done research on fetal tissue. It simply is not true. The study they distributed by an anonymous source was done in 1992. The study was about tumors. I won’t bore you with the science. There were four doctors' names on the study. One was mine. I spent my life studying brain tumors and removing them. My only involvement in this study was supplying tumors that I had removed from my patients. Those tissue samples were compared to other tissue samples under a microscope. Pathologists do this work to gain clues about tumors.

I, nor any of the doctors involved with this study, had anything to do with abortion or what Planned Parenthood has been doing. Research hospitals across the country have microscope slides of all kinds of tissue to compare and contrast. The fetal tissue that was viewed in this study by others was not collected for this study.

I am sickened by the attack that I, after having spent my entire life caring for children, had something to do with aborting a child and harvesting organs. My medical specialty is the human brain and even I am amazed at what it is capable of doing. Please know these attacks are pathetic attempts to blunt our progress.

Now lets get to answering your questions."
I am shocked that any political party would use the media to attack the other party. I am equally shocked that the media will run with a story without significant fact checking. Still even more shocking is the American public will accept anything presented on the Internet or media as gospel. But then again they accept gospel as gospel in defiance of science but I digress.
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I am shocked that any political party would use the media to attack the other party. I am equally shocked that the media will run with a story without significant fact checking. Still even more shocking is the American public will accept anything presented on the Internet or media as gospel. But then again they accept gospel as gospel in defiance of science but I digress.
and no one said he aborted anything...
i don't care if he did research on aborted tissue. but i do find his attacks on pp to be disingenuous, especially considering his answers to the questions of whether fetal tissue research is immoral, or should be stopped.
we all know pols pander, that's why many don't run for office who should-they can't dissemble.
he's a doctor, he knows the value of all research.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/13/politi...rch/index.html

dissembling 101
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