Another gop govt shutdown?!

[OldDog]

Huh.

Currently, at least 38 states have fetal homicide laws. The states include: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Nebraska, Nevada, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia and Wisconsin. At least 23 states have fetal homicide laws that apply to the earliest stages of pregnancy ("any state of gestation," "conception," "fertilization" or "post-fertilization"); these are indicated below with an asterisk (*).

more details here
http://www.ncsl.org/research/health/...tate-laws.aspx

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by OldDog

Huh.



more details here
http://www.ncsl.org/research/health/...tate-laws.aspx

Yep, they exist. Note they don't apply to abortion. Those charges typically get pinned onto a case where the woman wished to keep her pregnancy.
There was a guy here a couple years ago who intentionally rammed his car into his estranged wife's car. Killed the passenger who was pregnant. So, two murder charges filed by the state.
Go figure tho.....people leave their kids in hot cars and don't get charged....
Amazing how much more people sorry about those not born than those who are here already.

[OldDog]

Originally Posted by Danzig

Yep, they exist. Note they don't apply to abortion. Those charges typically get pinned onto a case where the woman wished to keep her pregnancy.
There was a guy here a couple years ago who intentionally rammed his car into his estranged wife's car. Killed the passenger who was pregnant. So, two murder charges filed by the state.
Go figure tho.....people leave their kids in hot cars and don't get charged....
Amazing how much more people sorry about those not born than those who are here already.

So, when woman wants to keep blob of cells, taking it is murder.

But, when woman wants to discard blob of cells, it's her right.

Huh.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by OldDog

So, when woman wants to keep blob of cells, taking it is murder.

But, when woman wants to discard blob of cells, it's her right.

Huh.

yeah, go figure a prosecuting attorney wanting to put on as many charges as possible...and add to a criminals sentence. what are they thinking?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unborn...f_Violence_Act

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Danzig

Yep, they exist. Note they don't apply to abortion. Those charges typically get pinned onto a case where the woman wished to keep her pregnancy.
There was a guy here a couple years ago who intentionally rammed his car into his estranged wife's car. Killed the passenger who was pregnant. So, two murder charges filed by the state.
Go figure tho.....people leave their kids in hot cars and don't get charged....
Amazing how much more people sorry about those not born than those who are here already.

Do you think that makes any sense?

By "that" I mean the idea that the status of the baby ONLY depends on whether the mother wanted it or not?

Two mothers, one named Smith, one named Jones, suffer the same crime and cease to be pregnant at the same point in gestation of the baby. Smith wanted her baby and so charges for an additional murder are brought upon her assailant. But Jones was on her way to an abortion clinic anyway so no additional charges are made.

One was a murdered human being and the other a discard blob of tissue.

That is INSANE.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Do you think that makes any sense?

By "that" I mean the idea that the status of the baby ONLY depends on whether the mother wanted it or not?

Two mothers, one named Smith, one named Jones, suffer the same crime and cease to be pregnant at the same point in gestation of the baby. Smith wanted her baby and so charges for an additional murder are brought upon her assailant. But Jones was on her way to an abortion clinic anyway so no additional charges are made.

One was a murdered human being and the other a discard blob of tissue.

That is INSANE.

One, no. The pa decides charges, not the victim.
two, abortion is specifically NOT covered by fetal laws.
three, i didnt write the crap. But yes, they want to charge folks with as much as possible....and then therre were victims of assualt who lost their almost due now dead infant,, and wanted recourse in the courts.
as for when life befins, go read roe. It explains how they nade ttheir decision and whos rights matter when in regards to abortion.

Ever watch the investigative dramas about police work?

Hahahahahshahahah.
well, that explains a lot. You think tv is reality?! Lol. Thats what attorneys complain about at trial now. Everyone expects csi stuff....its not real. Geez

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Danzig

One, no. The pa decides charges, not the victim.
two, abortion is specifically NOT covered by fetal laws.
three, i didnt write the crap. But yes, they want to charge folks with as much as possible....and then therre were victims of assualt who lost their almost due now dead infant,, and wanted recourse in the courts.
as for when life befins, go read roe. It explains how they nade ttheir decision and whos rights matter when in regards to abortion.

Ever watch the investigative dramas about police work?

Hahahahahshahahah.
well, that explains a lot. You think tv is reality?! Lol. Thats what attorneys complain about at trial now. Everyone expects csi stuff....its not real. Geez

No of course TV dramas are not reality - but I was trying to use as broad an example as possible to say that no matter the motivations for committing a crime, the crime must be stopped, the perpetrator apprehended, tried, and then either sentenced or released.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by joeydb

No of course TV dramas are not reality - but I was trying to use as broad an example as possible to say that no matter the motivations for committing a crime, the crime must be stopped, the perpetrator apprehended, tried, and then either sentenced or released.

Not sure what thats got to do with abortion, which is legal.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Danzig

Not sure what thats got to do with abortion, which is legal.

Well if abortion is murder that is incorrectly categorized by current law...

[jms62]

Originally Posted by joeydb

No of course TV dramas are not reality - but I was trying to use as broad an example as possible to say that no matter the motivations for committing a crime, the crime must be stopped, the perpetrator apprehended, tried, and then either sentenced or released.

Thanks for your continued participation on this long decided subject.