Another gop govt shutdown?!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by joeydb

No of course TV dramas are not reality - but I was trying to use as broad an example as possible to say that no matter the motivations for committing a crime, the crime must be stopped, the perpetrator apprehended, tried, and then either sentenced or released.

Not sure what thats got to do with abortion, which is legal.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Danzig

Not sure what thats got to do with abortion, which is legal.

Well if abortion is murder that is incorrectly categorized by current law...

[joeydb]

Here's another wrinkle for you to think about:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...er-wanted.html

Excerpt: (international law)

EXCLUSIVE: Parents sue hospital for 'psychological trauma' of failed abortion and cost of bringing up daughter, now 14 - who SUPPORTS their £700,000 claim despite knowing she was never wanted
Elisa Bellandi, now 14, survived an abortion when her mother fell pregnant with her accidentally when aged 43
Parents, from Rimini, Italy, are suing the hospital that carried out the procedure for £700,000 for the girl's maintenance
Her father Giuseppe said: 'The doctors brought her into the world. They should provide for her study and indispensable needs until she is 18'
Elisa has always known she was a 'mistake' and supports her parents

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Here's another wrinkle for you to think about:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...er-wanted.html

Excerpt: (international law)

EXCLUSIVE: Parents sue hospital for 'psychological trauma' of failed abortion and cost of bringing up daughter, now 14 - who SUPPORTS their £700,000 claim despite knowing she was never wanted
Elisa Bellandi, now 14, survived an abortion when her mother fell pregnant with her accidentally when aged 43
Parents, from Rimini, Italy, are suing the hospital that carried out the procedure for £700,000 for the girl's maintenance
Her father Giuseppe said: 'The doctors brought her into the world. They should provide for her study and indispensable needs until she is 18'
Elisa has always known she was a 'mistake' and supports her parents

why do i need to think about this?
what about the catholic hospital in colorado whose lawyers argued that fetuses aren't persons, thus the suit against them for 'killing' twins shouldn't go forward-and they won. that, from a religion who claims life begins at conception...unless of course they are facing payout for wrongful death. their mother was 7 months along, had a heart attack. she and the twins she was carrying died.
yeah, they argue one thing...but then go against that very teaching, cuz money.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Danzig

why do i need to think about this?
what about the catholic hospital in colorado whose lawyers argued that fetuses aren't persons, thus the suit against them for 'killing' twins shouldn't go forward-and they won. that, from a religion who claims life begins at conception...unless of course they are facing payout for wrongful death. their mother was 7 months along, had a heart attack. she and the twins she was carrying died.
yeah, they argue one thing...but then go against that very teaching, cuz money.

I had not heard of that Colorado case, and I agree that's hypocritical, inconsistent and wrong.

[Danzig]

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/26/us/col...fetus-lawsuit/

Colorado supreme court refused to hear the case so the ruling stood. The husband declared bankruptcy rather than pay the legal bills for the hospital. As you can see, they offered to drop the counter suit if he didn't appeal..

[Danzig]

And we all know the Hippocratic oath, first do no harm to the patient.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lori-f...b_5037035.html
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/cathol...ays-2D11674429

A woman died in ireland due to such 'care'. It is unconscionable that hospitals know full well a pregnancy is doomed, but still follow religious protocol over medical.
http://blog.ansirh.org/2013/02/pregn...lic-hospitals/

Note the lack of medical training for the religious person who tells docotrs what to do.
But, when you notice infection, cmon back. Obscene.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/26/us/col...fetus-lawsuit/

Colorado supreme court refused to hear the case so the ruling stood. The husband declared bankruptcy rather than pay the legal bills for the hospital. As you can see, they offered to drop the counter suit if he didn't appeal..

Proving that when push comes to shove, the only real god people worship is Mammon.

Obviously, the courts were legally correct to toss out that charge, but I find it hilarious and unsurprising that the hospital were happy to embrace the law when it helped them, while denying legal procedures to female patients. (And male, for that matter, since they also won't do vasectomies)

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Well if abortion is murder that is incorrectly categorized by current law...

if my aunt had an outie she'd be my uncle. it's not murder, even tho a few people think it should be.
i'm sure it hurts you to know that more people than ever support roe/wade, and want it to remain as is.

and check this out, to see about your fellow conservatives and abortion...cause actions speak louder than words:

http://www.prochoiceactionnetwork-ca...ti-tales.shtml