What to do now

[jms62]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

He needs to come out and say we are either with the S. Koreans or not. Period. Then let the S. Koreans act and we back! N. Korea is clearly the aggressor and our ignoring the torpedoing of the S. Korean ship is now coming back to haunt us.

God forbid we ever get attacked. I can see it now, "we are in the initial stages of consultation."

Spoken like someone living in a vacum. We have war raging on 2 fronts Del, it is not a video game where we can hit reset when we make it 3 and see all the negative consequences. And if we do make it 3 is it Obama's fault that we sink deeper into this financial mire supporting it?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

He needs to come out and say we are either with the S. Koreans or not. Period. Then let the S. Koreans act and we back! N. Korea is clearly the aggressor and our ignoring the torpedoing of the S. Korean ship is now coming back to haunt us.

God forbid we ever get attacked. I can see it now, "we are in the initial stages of consultation."

we definately cant be jumping into other people's wars right now. we should be cooling tempers instead of escalating them.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2...t_11599087.htm

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by jms62

What to do now that a real issue arises and our military is spread on 2 fronts thanks to GWB desire to be a wartime president. This guys ****ups will haunt us forever.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20101123...20101123092327

Seriously?

So N. Korea is now Bush's fault? The idea that the US is "stretched" too thin to respond to an outbreak of hostilities in Korea is laughable. Do you really thin that if a full scale war were to break out we would be sending anything other than carriers, planes and cruise missiles? This isnt 1965. We arent sending giant numbers of ground forces into SE Asia regardless of who gets attacked or where our troops are currently located.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by jms62

Spoken like someone living in a vacum. We have war raging on 2 fronts Del, it is not a video game where we can hit reset when we make it 3 and see all the negative consequences. And if we do make it 3 is it Obama's fault that we sink deeper into this financial mire supporting it?

There is no war "raging". Iraq has been very quiet and Afganistan is hardly a raging war. The idea that the US or its allies are vunerable because of troops in the Middle East is not grounded in any sort of fact. The truth is that a conventional war is far easier for us to fight if it came to that because of our weaponary and the fact that we will have a clearly defined enemy. Rooting out terrorists is far tougher than leveling N. Korea though the presence of China makes it unlikely that we would even do that.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by jms62

What to do now that a real issue arises and our military is spread on 2 fronts thanks to GWB desire to be a wartime president. This guys ****ups will haunt us forever.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20101123...20101123092327

Hasn't Obama had over 1 1/2 years to try to do something? No he pushes and passed something the American public didn't want. Great job Mr. President. Keep on doing the great job and blame Bush and the Republicans like you always will do. Have fun in January when you you and your worthless Democrat cronies don't have the numbers no more.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Seriously?

So N. Korea is now Bush's fault? The idea that the US is "stretched" too thin to respond to an outbreak of hostilities in Korea is laughable. Do you really thin that if a full scale war were to break out we would be sending anything other than carriers, planes and cruise missiles? This isnt 1965. We arent sending giant numbers of ground forces into SE Asia regardless of who gets attacked or where our troops are currently located.

Wow.. Please tell me how you ascertained that I think North Korea is Bush's fault. And if you don't think we are not streched too thin both militarily and financally than there really isn't anything I can say. You truly think Red and Blue and its a shame because your posts are some of hte most intelligent on these threads.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by jms62

Wow.. Please tell me how you ascertained that I think North Korea is Bush's fault. And if you don't think we are not streched too thin both militarily and financally than there really isn't anything I can say. You truly think Red and Blue and its a shame because your posts are some of hte most intelligent on these threads.

You made it out in your initial post that we are in some danger because of Bush's wartime desires. This is not true. Everything that happens cant be traced back to Bush regardless of how much you hate him. The riots of the world will back your claim by saying that the n koreans are more likely to strike becuse we are "stretched so thin". Of course that is almost assuredly not the case. The fact is that we arent stretched that thin in the areas of the military in which a more convential modern warfare against a country's forces like n korea's would entail. Our superioity in the air and navy have been muted against forces hiding in caves and dressing like civilians. When we invaded Iraq (both times), the convential forces of Iraq fell in a rapid fashion. There is no reason to believe that the N Koreans army, navy and ar force wouldnt be obliterated in a few days if it came to that. Of course it won't because the Chinese wont let us. The idea that large numbers of US troops would be required to occupy n Korea is fictional because there is zero chance of that happening. The problem with the N Koreans is that they have or are close to having nukes. It doesnt matter how many forces or how well off financially we are if they decide to lob a couple of those at S Korea or Japan. Either way Bush hasnt led to this problem or created any dilema's in dealing with them any more than any other President in the last 50 years.

[Danzig]

the key to all this is china. unless we can prevail upon that country to try to tamp down n. korea's sudden enthusiasm for war, we won't do a thing. china is their big (only??) ally. if they decide to back n. korea, it'll be a problem. if they don't, n. korea will retreat back into the hole it's crawled out of.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

Spoken like someone living in a vacum. We have war raging on 2 fronts Del, it is not a video game where we can hit reset when we make it 3 and see all the negative consequences. And if we do make it 3 is it Obama's fault that we sink deeper into this financial mire supporting it?

i thought all combat troops were out of iraq?

[dellinger63]

Well the appeal to China didn't work. Instead we have a warning issued.

Personally I think Obama needs to tell S. Korea fight or surrender. But I'm sure he'll issue a 'double important' appeal to China and 'more' needless sanctions for N. Korea. Heck if he's really mad he'll send Hillary to the UN in New York for 1000 star sanctions.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20101126/...s_korea_north1

[rpncaine]

Have we tried "Double Secret Probation" yet?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by rpncaine

Have we tried "Double Secret Probation" yet?

Since Truman.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Personally I think Obama needs to tell S. Korea fight or surrender

Because the world needs another war. Brilliant.

Edit: and you can be the first to join up and go fight, okay!

[bigrun]

....Know your enemies ...


The Associated Press
Thursday, November 25, 2010; 6:44 AM

WASHINGTON -- Sarah Palin is drawing criticism from around the world after declaring that the United States has to stand with "our North Korean allies."

Palin's gaffe, made Wednesday during an interview on Glenn Beck's syndicated radio show, was quickly corrected by her host. But it drew immediate fire from liberal bloggers, who cited it as an example of the 2008 vice presidential candidate's lack of foreign policy expertise.

Newspapers in Asia and Europe are repeating the criticism. The Times of India says Palin "did it again," while London's Daily Mail says she "may want to brush up on her geography."

The conservative U.S. website The Weekly Standard came to Palin's defense, pointing out that "she correctly identified North Korea as our enemy literally eight seconds before the mix-up."

[Riot]

When you listen to the audio tape, it's apparent that Palin still doesn't really understand that North and South are two separate entities. She's just kinda rambling on against Obama.

What nobody notices is that Palin clearly misuses the word "sanctions", too, saying she is afraid Obama won't sanction North Koreas actions!

Palin famously never knew North/South existed in the first place in her 2008 debate training, and doesn't appear to have mastered it since. She's still just a word salad of memorized talking points.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

palin is an ediot..i will move out of the country if that tard gets the gop nod.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

we need to cut sk loose for some surgical strikes with our help..china will not get involved..they own half of our country and the exports here are in the 40 perc range..why mess with your best customer..or ship palin to north korea

[Riot]

Palin doesn't want to be a policy wonk, let alone President. That's too hard. Palin wants to be famous and important and make money.

Threatening to run for office, getting office space in Iowa, her pal Rupert buying her book deals, a reality show, and appearances on Faux News, keeps her in the public eye as a pseudo-political pundit/reality star.

Rupert is the only reason Palin is still in the public eye after 2008. Her foray into real political endorsement shows how useless and unrespected she is as a politician, even in her own state (Joe Miller)

Karl Rove and Barbara Bush have already put Palin in her place regarding the world of politics. The GOP doesn't even need Palin to "rally the base", they have Huckabee for that (he beats out Palin with religious conservatives). Shiat, even a Fox News crew was caught on-tape laughing at Palin. Palin exists as Ruperts puppet toy. He pulls her string, she spouts anti-whatever, go god! go America!, she makes money, he makes money, it's all good.

If she dives into politics again, for real, the Iowa caucuses would eat her alive at the onset and she's done, gone back in Alaska forever, no cred at all. Those Iowa caucus folks take being President seriously, and you can't get by them on a wink and a snarky phrase.

Palin and Rupert won't risk the gravy train being cut off. As long as she threatens to run for President, people pay attention to her and she's live money. As soon as she announces she's not gonna run, she's done. Rupert alone will have to try and keep her shaking her moneymaker somehow in that case, while the world pays attention to the 2012 election and nobody cares what she thinks any more. Her 15 minutes might be over for good then.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Riot

When you listen to the audio tape, it's apparent that Palin still doesn't really understand that North and South are two separate entities. She's just kinda rambling on against Obama.

What nobody notices is that Palin clearly misuses the word "sanctions", too, saying she is afraid Obama won't sanction North Koreas actions!

Palin famously never knew North/South existed in the first place in her 2008 debate training, and doesn't appear to have mastered it since. She's still just a word salad of memorized talking points.

Palin = Dumber Nascar