What to do now

[Riot]

Originally Posted by jms62

What to do now that a real issue arises and our military is spread on 2 fronts thanks to GWB desire to be a wartime president. This guys ****ups will haunt us forever.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20101123...20101123092327

I thought of that same thing today about Bush. And the administration was talking about that, too, in the last couple of weeks (our need to get out so we can respond appropriately to the rest of the world), although I can't find the reference now.

As an aside, did you see where England warned Bush he might not want to go there to promote his book, considering he admitted in the book he approved something defined internationally as torture and there would be threat of arrest?

If the GOP blocks the START treaty for political hay as it looks like they will, we're completely screwed as far as international respect goes. Russia doesn't worry me, and China really neither - but yeah, you get a North Korea pushing the edge and there it is.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

I thought of that same thing today about Bush.

I think that must be what Obama is thinking about as well.....


"There are myriad actions the U.S. is discussing with allies, including action at the United Nations Security Council and further sanctions. No decisions have been made yet, the consultation process is in the “initial stages.”

One possibility we may see in the coming days: more joint US-South Korea military exercises, to demonstrate solidarity and support."

So excercises and don't say it FURTHER SANCTIONS

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpu...e-in-comi.html

I just hope N. Korea doesn't have tape of Obama throwing a baseball

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I think that must be what Obama is thinking about as well.....


"There are myriad actions the U.S. is discussing with allies, including action at the United Nations Security Council and further sanctions. No decisions have been made yet, the consultation process is in the “initial stages.”

One possibility we may see in the coming days: more joint US-South Korea military exercises, to demonstrate solidarity and support."

So excercises and don't say it FURTHER SANCTIONS

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpu...e-in-comi.html

I just hope N. Korea doesn't have tape of Obama throwing a baseball

What do you think the President of the United States should do right now, Dell? Exactly? If you don't find the above acceptable, what, exactly, do you want to see?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

What do you think the President of the United States should do right now, Dell? Exactly? If you don't find the above acceptable, what, exactly, do you want to see?

He needs to come out and say we are either with the S. Koreans or not. Period. Then let the S. Koreans act and we back! N. Korea is clearly the aggressor and our ignoring the torpedoing of the S. Korean ship is now coming back to haunt us.

God forbid we ever get attacked. I can see it now, "we are in the initial stages of consultation."

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

He needs to come out and say we are either with the S. Koreans or not. Period. "

"We strongly condemn the attack and we are rallying the international community to put pressure on North Korea." - Barack Obama

"The president called on China, in particular, to rebuke North Korea. He declined to comment on possible U.S. military action, saying only that South Korea is "one of our most important allies" and "a cornerstone of U.S. security in the Pacific region." "

"Briefing reporters earlier in the day, Deputy White House Press Secretary Bill Burton described Mr. Obama has being "outraged" by North Korean actions on Tuesday, adding that the United States "stands shoulder to shoulder" with South Korea and that it is fully committed to South Korea's defense."

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

"We strongly condemn the attack and we are rallying the international community to put pressure on North Korea." - Barack Obama

"The president called on China, in particular, to rebuke North Korea. He declined to comment on possible U.S. military action, saying only that South Korea is "one of our most important allies" and "a cornerstone of U.S. security in the Pacific region." "

well can we agree sanctions don't work and military excercises is like puffing out a chest, rarely works in a fight.

"Briefing reporters earlier in the day, Deputy White House Press Secretary Bill Burton described Mr. Obama has being "outraged" by North Korean actions on Tuesday, adding that the United States "stands shoulder to shoulder" with South Korea and that it is fully committed to South Korea's defense."

well can we agree sanctions don't work in N. Korea's, Iran's etc. world and military excercises is like puffing out one's chest, rarely works in a fight?

And does China rule N. Korea or does that little pajama guy?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

well can we agree sanctions don't work in N. Korea's, Iran's etc. world and military excercises is like puffing out one's chest, rarely works in a fight?

No.

And does China rule N. Korea or does that little pajama guy?

Oh, China has no influence at all on N. Korea, Dell. None at all. What China thinks doesn't matter in the least.

Snort.

Have a nice Thanksgiving, Dell. Maybe someone will a start a war you can be thankful for.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

He needs to come out and say we are either with the S. Koreans or not. Period. Then let the S. Koreans act and we back! N. Korea is clearly the aggressor and our ignoring the torpedoing of the S. Korean ship is now coming back to haunt us.

God forbid we ever get attacked. I can see it now, "we are in the initial stages of consultation."

Spoken like someone living in a vacum. We have war raging on 2 fronts Del, it is not a video game where we can hit reset when we make it 3 and see all the negative consequences. And if we do make it 3 is it Obama's fault that we sink deeper into this financial mire supporting it?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by jms62

Spoken like someone living in a vacum. We have war raging on 2 fronts Del, it is not a video game where we can hit reset when we make it 3 and see all the negative consequences. And if we do make it 3 is it Obama's fault that we sink deeper into this financial mire supporting it?

There is no war "raging". Iraq has been very quiet and Afganistan is hardly a raging war. The idea that the US or its allies are vunerable because of troops in the Middle East is not grounded in any sort of fact. The truth is that a conventional war is far easier for us to fight if it came to that because of our weaponary and the fact that we will have a clearly defined enemy. Rooting out terrorists is far tougher than leveling N. Korea though the presence of China makes it unlikely that we would even do that.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

Spoken like someone living in a vacum. We have war raging on 2 fronts Del, it is not a video game where we can hit reset when we make it 3 and see all the negative consequences. And if we do make it 3 is it Obama's fault that we sink deeper into this financial mire supporting it?

i thought all combat troops were out of iraq?

[dellinger63]

Well the appeal to China didn't work. Instead we have a warning issued.

Personally I think Obama needs to tell S. Korea fight or surrender. But I'm sure he'll issue a 'double important' appeal to China and 'more' needless sanctions for N. Korea. Heck if he's really mad he'll send Hillary to the UN in New York for 1000 star sanctions.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20101126/...s_korea_north1

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

He needs to come out and say we are either with the S. Koreans or not. Period. Then let the S. Koreans act and we back! N. Korea is clearly the aggressor and our ignoring the torpedoing of the S. Korean ship is now coming back to haunt us.

God forbid we ever get attacked. I can see it now, "we are in the initial stages of consultation."

we definately cant be jumping into other people's wars right now. we should be cooling tempers instead of escalating them.