Voter ID laws: Everyone has an ID, right? Nope

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

Whoa - that's not about civics, and that is overtly anti-Constitutional: you just want to eliminate participation by people whose extreme political views you personally disagree with.



You aren't even following the Constitution with your suggestion on voting by merit.

This is a democracy. We have a Constitution that we follow. All are created equal. Every citizen can vote, even radical anarchists and KKK members, and even people "on the far ends" that you think need to be "re-educated".

All are created equal and do not stay that way for very long. Voting by merit sounds like a good idea actually. You should have to earn all rights, nothing should be granted to you simply by birth.
Except of course, life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
This is a constitutional republic not a democracy.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

All are created equal and do not stay that way for very long. Voting by merit sounds like a good idea actually. You should have to earn all rights, nothing should be granted to you simply by birth.
Except of course, life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
This is a constitutional republic not a democracy.

Ah - you do not want democracy, nor a constitutional republic. And unfortunately, you want those that "earn rights" to only be those that agree with you. I hate to break it to you, but all American citizens have the right to vote. It is their birthright as a citizen. Even citizens you don't personally like. Thank God for that. This country is great because it embraces diversity and individuality.

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by Riot

Ah - you do not want democracy, nor a constitutional republic. And unfortunately, you want those that "earn rights" to only be those that agree with you. I hate to break it to you, but all American citizens have the right to vote. It is their birthright as a citizen. Even citizens you don't personally like. Thank God for that. This country is great because it embraces diversity and individuality.

Our Rights do NOT come from the GOVT. We are endowed with them by the Creator. It's the Govt's job to protect our rights.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

Our Rights do NOT come from the GOVT. We are endowed with them by the Creator. It's the Govt's job to protect our rights.

The Creator says all American citizens are created equal, and all can vote.

And she's pretty pissed at the jerks who are trying to take those voting rights away. Dinosaur Jesus told me it's true.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

Ah - you do not want democracy, nor a constitutional republic. And unfortunately, you want those that "earn rights" to only be those that agree with you. I hate to break it to you, but all American citizens have the right to vote. It is their birthright as a citizen. Even citizens you don't personally like. Thank God for that. This country is great because it embraces diversity and individuality.

Very few people agree with me, there are some that are naive enough to think that Washington can be fixed. If all citizens have the right to vote (I still think this should be true, with a caveat or two), then they should also be capable of proving citizenship prior to casting a vote, regardless of voting history.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Very few people agree with me, there are some that are naive enough to think that Washington can be fixed. If all citizens have the right to vote (I still think this should be true, with a caveat or two), then they should also be capable of proving citizenship prior to casting a vote, regardless of voting history.

Well, the Founding Fathers of our country certainly disagreed with you when they wrote the Constitution. They wrote that document specifically and deliberately to prevent people who thought like you from controlling others.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

Well, the Founding Fathers of our country certainly disagreed with you when they wrote the Constitution. They wrote that document specifically and deliberately to prevent people who thought like you from controlling others.

Have you ever read the Bill of Rights?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Have you ever read the Bill of Rights?

Yes. You? Because you made the following statement, which clearly is against our Constitution and Bill of Rights, and our founding principles:

That said it is the far end of both spectrum that have ruined this system and those are the ones I would like be to be eliminated from the process or educated back in.

Kinda dictator-like. Your fellow citizens don't have to meet your requirements to be able to vote. They only have to be citizens of this country. You - or I - may hate what they believe, or how they vote. Too bad. We all get to vote.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes. You? Because you made the following statement, which clearly is against our Constitution and Bill of Rights, and our founding principles:



Kinda dictator-like. Your fellow citizens don't have to meet your requirements to be able to vote. They only have to be citizens of this country. You - or I - may hate what they believe, or how they vote. Too bad. We all get to vote.

Which amendment?

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by Riot

Well, the Founding Fathers of our country certainly disagreed with you when they wrote the Constitution. They wrote that document specifically and deliberately to prevent people who thought like you from controlling others.

And also to prevent people like you from deciding what I choose to defend myself, loved ones, and property with. How you can be a Constitutional Scholar on some subjects but completely lost on others is beyond me. I guess you see what you want to see.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

And also to prevent people like you from deciding what I choose to defend myself, loved ones, and property with.

You don't have the right to defend your loved ones with a bazooka or tank. Yeah - the majority rest of us, in this democratic society, are good with that. You, the minority, lose on that one.

Yes, this is a society, where we all live together, and thus all our opinions count. Equally. That's why we vote on things. Like you don't get a bazooka or a tank. Majority rules. Too bad on that one.

How you can be a Constitutional Scholar on some subjects but completely lost on others is beyond me. I guess you see what you want to see.

I have made no pretense to being any Consitutional scholar. I leave that up to our judicial branch. Like reading the decisions where multiple judges have thrown out restrictive ALEC-GOP Voter ID laws as they unfairly discriminate against some minorities or are poll taxes.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Very few people agree with me, there are some that are naive enough to think that Washington can be fixed. If all citizens have the right to vote (I still think this should be true, with a caveat or two), then they should also be capable of proving citizenship prior to casting a vote, regardless of voting history.

felons lose their right to vote, but that's the only group i know of that is disenfranchised-by their own actions tho.
and i do think that requiring id is common sense, but voter registration also needs to be fixed. people who live near a state line have been registered in multiple areas, and have voted multiple times from what i've read.
voter rolls shouldn't just be purged of non-voters, but states should cross reference. but id would also be a red flag in that instance. i know of a guy who lives on property straddling the ark/la border. he has all ark id, tags,works in ark, etc. but his 911 address is in la. so, yeah, he could be registered to vote twice. how many out there like that? or they move, vote absentee in home state, in person here?